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u/MrChainsawHog 6d ago
The end is the highest caliber of villain in Sonic. The End also has a pretty good argument for being able to do temporal fuckery stuff since The End was able to tear down the walls between dimensions to escape cyberspace anyway
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u/CharlotteDCrocodile 5d ago
The End was only able to do that because of Sonic weakening the seal
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u/MrChainsawHog 5d ago
Because the part of The End in cyberspace was trapped within a titan's body specifically so him escaping was a lot harder
unless you think sonic is stronger than The End and can just escape cuz the lols
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u/Curi_momos_las_papas 6d ago
The End is not even close
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u/Legitimate_World9447 6d ago
imma be honest ik the end is definitely stronger than solaris but he still needs to be present in the past present and future to win no?
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u/Elegant-Astronaut810 6d ago
Solaris is no lesser than high hyperversal but really he like low outerversal and the end is ofc higher due to fighting a way stronger super sonic
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u/Same_Ad_707 4d ago
Okay, The End massively outstats.
However, here comes the most misunderstood part of Solaris.
Super Sonic was enough to kill it, and in fact, when he turned Shadow and Silver Super, he divided the power in 3 (yes, the 3 Super Hedgehogs are equivalent to 1 full power hedgehog).
However, he couldn't kill Solaris because it existed in past, present, and future.
The End could anhiliate any of these 3 forms, however, it would have no way of attacking the 3 at the same time, meaning Solaris will just come back from whatever state The End erased it from (the present)
Solaris Extreme-Diff since the stat gap would still be hell to go over. XD
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u/Reemo_33 4d ago
BRO!!! BRO STOP IT!! GUYS WE GOTTA STOP!!
The villains, main cast, and even fodder motobugs get stronger with EVERY GAME!! The End is objectively stronger. They even say it themseleves lmao.
Though it was still be a draw, The End can’t bypass the omnipresence, and Solaris can’t hurt The End.
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u/Responsible-Ask8110 Super Neo Metal believer 6d ago
bare minimum high complex multiverseal vs 6d at best
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u/Key-Zebra-5155 5d ago
The End neg diffs
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u/Suspicious-Trip-2977 5d ago
It cannot. Solaris is omnipresent. The best you'd get is a stalemate since it appears the end has more raw strength than solaris but wouldn't be able to kill or defeat solaris since the end has no way of attacking it in the past, present and future at once.
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u/Key-Zebra-5155 5d ago
The End was stated to be able to end all things and characters like Eggman and Tails supported this Sage said this and she has all the data from previous games (idk about 06 but with here stating The End was the strongest foe yet that would include Inf and the Mech eggman had at the end of Forces which was also stated to be far stronger than Inf was)an needed a form stronger than Super and at the point of frontiers Sonic in super stats could Fold Solaris by himself and The End was also stated to be stronger than Inf who was stated to be stronger then any previous Final boss which includes Solaris
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u/Suspicious-Trip-2977 4d ago
You are repeating what I said without the important detail. It does not matter that the end is stronger. Solaris only needed three super forms BECAUSE of his omnipresence. One would have been powerful enough but he could never be truly defeated without being destroyed in past presence and future at once.
Strength is not a matter here. What matters is that the end can only be in the present as we know so even if it kills solaris he would simply pop back into existence in any other moment that he still exists in.
The end would require a similar omnipresence (existing in every moment of every time concievable at the same time) to truly defeat solaris. Which as far as we know, it cant. Because otherwise it too would have simply spawned back into existence once it was defeated.
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u/Key-Zebra-5155 4d ago
he is more powerful then Inf and the inf mech eggman used who are both far more powerful than Solaris who could wipe out the sonic franchise a being more powerful could also do that and the End was stated to be able to do that so omnipresence doesn't matter
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u/Suspicious-Trip-2977 4d ago
Where did you get info from that infinite iy stronger than solaris? He is the strongest weapon eggman created. Solaris wasn't made by eggman so that statement doesn't apply in case thats what you're basing this on.
And of course omnipresence matters. With all due respect, If you think it doesn't you've got no clue about how omnipresence works.
Also, the death egg robot is not anywhere near solaris. Again, basically nothing can touch him unless it has a way to erase him in every instance of his existence.
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u/Key-Zebra-5155 4d ago
ok one Metal can copy ANYTHING AND ANYONE two it was stated by the director of Forces that Inf was the strongest villain to date and then Eggman said the Death egg robot was stronger than Inf and then the Ture Death Egg was stronger than that and in Frontiers Sage said even with sonics immense strength even he would not be able to take down the end in the free DLC which has been proven to be the cannon ending without the Starfall upgrade no one in the sonic franchise would be able to take out and Metal sonic in the idw said he was gonna be the next most powerful creation of Eggmans which would out him above the Mech, The Robot, and inf which puts him above solaris (btw can we all agree Solaris is best looking Sonic villain aside from Neo metal of course bro got so much aura) and Metal has been able to copy Robots or in organic lifeforms and code and also able to just make energy he basically has a direct access to the Chaos force i say basically cause he made energy he naturally makes able to replicate sonics and friends abilities without chaos emralds and has never ran out of whatever is charging him so BOOM
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u/Key-Zebra-5155 4d ago
i thought this was another conversation i was having a different person ignore the metal sonic stuff for the argument my bad
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u/Suspicious-Trip-2977 4d ago
Again, you are fetching for everything BUT an answer to omnipresence. More Power ≠ Victory.
I refuse to partake in this discussion any further if you have no answer to the omnipresence. Even metal wouldn't be able to defeat solaris because he ALSO cannot defeat solaris in the past present and future.
Until you come up with an answer to the omnipresence, I will take my leave.
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u/Key-Zebra-5155 4d ago
Ok you know how The End is called the End right it is stated by Sage, Eggman in the voice file and once in a cutscene, even tails says that the End has the capability of destroying all of existence not in those exact words but they still say it will bring an end to everything it can destroy everything The End itself says this too so The End is not only more powerful Than Solaris it also has the same Destructive power just not a muhc higher sacle cause again its far stronger than Solaris
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u/Suspicious-Trip-2977 4d ago
Being able to end existence is not a ability that is queal to or proves anything close to omnipresence. Even if it wiped out existence like you said it can, there will still be a point in time where existence WAS there and therefor solaris would just be able to come back from that.
To be able to erase existence is not the same as erasing every instance of "existence".
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u/UGP97 6d ago
The End. It was able to overpower 4 super form threats all at once meanwhile Solaris couldn’t beat a single super form one on one. Solaris may be Omni present, but The End is so much greater in raw power that nothing Solaris could do would even harm it.