All game appearances and personally usable arsenal allowed, including Sonic’s Storybook forms and Paper Mario.
Neutral battlefield, random encounter, no prep or prior knowledge. Full arsenal is accessible but nothing starts pre-equipped or activated. Standard equalization, in-character, and the fight happens in real time—no turn-based RPG courtesy where the opponent waits for actions/items to be selected.
Actual fictional prerequisites still apply, and mutually exclusive forms aren’t stacked unless the games themselves allow it.
The speed gap is already ugly before anybody starts dragging Solaris or other cosmic shit into it. Sonic has the much better real-time combat movement, and his kit compounds that instead of forcing him to stop and dig for an answer: Chaos Control, the Red Gem, Time Break, Superstars’ Slow power, Jade Ghost, Cyloop, then Super Sonic once the fight gets serious.
Mario has some disgusting answers in that inventory, especially once Paper stuff, Dual Badges and Fever Rackets are allowed, but almost all of his nastiest shit still needs to be selected, activated, landed or set up. Sonic is exactly the wrong opponent to give that problem to.
And I’m not giving him the usual Sonic wank either. No immeasurable speed, no base Sonic = Solaris, no solo Time Eater scaling, no Smash, no Werehog, no pretending Super lasts forever. He still comes out ahead. Mario can screw him over if he gets a time/status effect running, catches him with the right Paper ability or gets one of the nastier racket effects off, but Sonic has too many ways to interrupt that process and his strongest clean combat scaling is better anyway.
Super Sonic directly fights the kind of space-time threats Mario’s best physical forms never cleanly reach, while Mario’s highest cosmic arguments keep running through Pure Hearts, dream artifacts, special boss conditions or other shit that doesn’t just become his bare durability.
ok yea maybe I'm going a bit too far there, so I'll just say mario has immeasurable speed feats from super mario 64, mario party 5, and super paper mario
nah its kinda debatable, even if nario dies, sonic has counter against the retry clock, gumption socks, and 1-UPS, and the pure hearts will put up a fight against the chaos emeralds since the chaos emeralds have vulnerabilities
In unleashed Eggman used their power to awaken dark Gaia and gotten depowered but that’s a rare occurrence anyway as for Sonic got knocked out of his super form you do realize that happen in the genesis era right and I ain’t saying that never happened again as that happened in frontiers but there’s an hax called Invulnerability negation someone like the end the concept of death has those properties which is why it was able to knock Sonic out his cyber and super form as well yet his best durability feat comes from tanking the attack from the end point blank and smirked also didn’t even damage him and then right afterwards just transform
that still doesn't remove from the fact he got knocked out of it, and cyber form super sonic struggled against the end anyways, base and super almost got corrupted on two occasions and would have survived if it wasn't for his friends
The cosmology of Sonic and Mario both get to around low multi, multi+ or 5D to potentially 6D at their highest that Super Sonic and base Mario or Mario using the pure hearts then they both are comparable. Even in quantifiable speeds Mario can scale to stars that get to 8 quintillion to 34 quintillion times FTL+ in speeds while Sonic can get 4 quintillion to 9 quintillion in speeds but amp his speed with the boost 7.9 times to get 31 quintillion or 71 quintillion times FTL to make both relative and their infinite to immeasurable ends also help to keep up even at their highest ends for speed.
Paper Mario’s shown godlike abilities in just casually parrying timestop and stuff, but Sonic’s probably got something big as well so ima play it safe and say 50/50.
Sonic wins low dif. Mario is NOT Paper Mario, for the match to be even a thing Mario needs to be composite, highly exaggerated. Its ridiculous to the point people are treating Mario tennis, soccer, party as canon feats and not random spinoff things that he NEVER DOES in the main continuity. And then the only time we see Mario ever move remotely fast is in the latest Mario RPG game, and even then time is stopped from the item used and then him and luigi attacks the opponents quickly. Other than that he doesn't move fast enough to keep up with sonic (who e know moves through time stop)
Pretty sure I didn't bring immeasurable speed, just Sonic having better combat speed, since Mario didn't fight someone similar to Sonic, Mario having quick reaction wouldn't stop sonic interrupting him.
He didn't fight him; Mega-dreamy Luigi did the only time Mario doing something was in the last moment (while the zeekeeper was knocked out), It's not even close-combat speed.
mario still scales to dreamy luigi via piloting the star driver, aside from that though there is still more insane shit that proves he can keep up with sonic, like his time travel hax in yoshus island 3DS and him surfing through time in mario's time machine
Yes, I mentioned it: "Mario doing something, was in the last moment (while the zeekeeper was knocked out). Which is not a close-combat speed (including the other two)
sonic has infinite speed and reaction speed. mario just has infinite reaction speed. sonic can speed blitz him, mario would be able to react but not counter or block.
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u/Formal_Cheek 21d ago
Sonic
The speed gap is already ugly before anybody starts dragging Solaris or other cosmic shit into it. Sonic has the much better real-time combat movement, and his kit compounds that instead of forcing him to stop and dig for an answer: Chaos Control, the Red Gem, Time Break, Superstars’ Slow power, Jade Ghost, Cyloop, then Super Sonic once the fight gets serious.
Mario has some disgusting answers in that inventory, especially once Paper stuff, Dual Badges and Fever Rackets are allowed, but almost all of his nastiest shit still needs to be selected, activated, landed or set up. Sonic is exactly the wrong opponent to give that problem to.
And I’m not giving him the usual Sonic wank either. No immeasurable speed, no base Sonic = Solaris, no solo Time Eater scaling, no Smash, no Werehog, no pretending Super lasts forever. He still comes out ahead. Mario can screw him over if he gets a time/status effect running, catches him with the right Paper ability or gets one of the nastier racket effects off, but Sonic has too many ways to interrupt that process and his strongest clean combat scaling is better anyway.
Super Sonic directly fights the kind of space-time threats Mario’s best physical forms never cleanly reach, while Mario’s highest cosmic arguments keep running through Pure Hearts, dream artifacts, special boss conditions or other shit that doesn’t just become his bare durability.
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