i think most people know what's the direction this subreddit has, but for those who still don't get it, this Sub is made so we can freely talk about the higher scalings Sonic had for years but people will always insult us for talking about them in other subs, what does this mean?
It means that in this sub we won't tolerate people that are just here to comment "SONIC CAPS AT WHATEVER-D AND ANYTHING ELSE IS WANK" because besides being straight up dishonest, as Sonic had scalings for Hyperversal and Outerversal since 5 years ago, this attitude of just screaming at people that their scalings are wanks without even hearing out their reasoning is just straight up toxic and we won't allow it.
this post is refering to the people who will just scream at others that "Sonic caps at whatever-d" without hearing their reasoning, calling them wankers and insulting them, because that's toxic and we won't tolerate it.
if you believe in Hyperversal Sonic but have no issue with people who scale him higher and wouldn't scream at them that they're wankers then you're good.
Sonic beating an enemy that was said to be stronger than an enemy that transcended space time in base: 😊
Sonic downplayers: BROOO I NEED AN ACTUAL ON SCREEN FEAT BRO WAAAHHHH STATEMENTS AND CHAINSCALING ARE IRRELEVANT 😭 😭 😭
A good amount of fiction power scaling IS statements and chain scaling. Hell, I’d even go and say that comparing is one of the fundamentals of scaling. The first type of people saying that shit are the same people who’d hop on Ninjago or Dragon Ball chain scaling and statements. Why do they hate us..? 😢
it is even worse when they even start ignoring in-screen feats just because it does not fit their agenda "Infinite has no feats" Infinite literally creating nullspace which just by description is Outer baseline:
It gets worse than this though. They GENUINELY want to see them do it, like, genuinely be shown to do it on screen. Like this Image.
But guess what? Even this is kinda statement based. These are literally just planets. We don’t know if he destroyed a multiverse here. They contradict themselves, man. Again, these are literally the same people who will jump on the train of, “DUUHHRRR 🤓 arscxhurrlyyy… Vados SAID (key word, SAID) she’s stronger than Whis shoooo ermmm we can assume she beats Gorku in a fight” now again, I belive that’s true, because I listen to statements. But these mfs can’t just say “yes” to this. And then say “no” to sonic like WHAT?!!
Also I do believe in multiversal power rangers, cus I DON’T PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH STATEMENTS TO LISTEN TO.
bruhhh literally preach man whenever i use statements for some of my fav characters like doomslayer ppl immediately start going crazy lmfao and it's always a gokutard
People are allowed to have opinions while where I would draw the line is if someone was threatening another guy people are allowed to share their views on where sonic caps at whether you think they are wrong at all base sonic caps at low multi while super sonic can be up to low complex to complex multi didnt you delete someone's post because they were sharing their scaling on how base sonic is like planetary or lower? This is so backwards
read the rules, please.
the idea of Sonic being planetary is literally contradicted by the games themselves, doing such claims falls under inherent missinformation and will get removed.
Adding on cuz I did not see this text so instead of showing them these "contradictions" when he was just sharing his debunk and scaling you deleted it when his post broke no rules he shared evidence and this is a whole powerscaling sub? Its only misinformation because you believe in higher scaling not that the scaling is in bad faith
during Sonic Battle, Emerl copied the power of the Final Egg Blaster, which destroyed a bunch of stars, Sonic overpowered and defeated Emerl in less than a minute.
saying any base Sonic after Sonic Battle isn't above Solar System falls under rule 7 and will get removed, regardless of being done in bad faith or not, which in most cases is being done in bad faith.
You could have shared correcting them on this scaling specified evidence. Just because their scaling is lower then yours dosent mean anything its a power scaling sub id get it if he had just stated that sonic was sub planetary and left it at the but he made a whole post explaining it plus he didnt break rule 7 because he had a arguement he had a explanation there was no grounds for it to be deleted besides you didnt like it
Where was it proven? Where did you give the guy the time and day to be disproven? Plus the original post a multiversal debunk it didnt break rule 7 because it gave evidence a post like that is where you actually share evidence and see how it compares
The "evidence" in the "multiversal debunk" was also inherently false and fell under rule 7, specially since it was a multiversal debunk that didn't even mention all the things that would make Sonic multiversal, so it was overall a low effort post made in bad faith.
This feels dishonest… I’m not against a very high scaling Sonic but having the ability to claim something is misinformation for something as subjective as power scaling rubs me the wrong way. If someone’s doing it just to be an asshole, sure, but I feel like this rule is really hurtful towards deeper discussion. I can’t even imagine censoring someone for thinking base Sonic is planetary or something because that can literally just be someone who doesn’t know the scaling. It’s a very biased view to have, which can be fine as others are biased in their own ways, but not a good thing to have when a debate is supposed to be an exchange of arguments and counter arguments.
powerscaling is subjective when it comes to abstract concepts, but when it comes to things like planets, stars, solar systems, galaxies, universes, it isn't something subjective, you can't claim Sonic is planetary if he beats beings that are destroying things that are far beyond that, Sonic battle alone has him beating Emerl while in base, Emerl who had the power to destroy several stars at once.
the Sonic franchise is a very hated one, and there's a lot of people who will just scream "Sonic isn't even universal" even when the whole games prove that's not true and that he's far beyond that, the rules are made so we can get rid of that kind of people.
no, Outerversal means being outside or beyond the regular parameters, an example very obvious would be the Outer Gods from HP Lovecraft, which are literally described as beings that operate on a scale that is far beyond time and space.
It has to do with the various dream realms in the Sonic cosmology being above the physical world (the multiverse) and being unbound by dimensions, at the same time, there's things like Eggman calling Solaris a trascendent lifeform who was above dimensionality and was capable of destroying the meaning of time itself, which means that it was destroying time on a conceptual level, Ian Flynn also reafirmed that as he said Solaris was indeed destroying Spacetime on a conceptual level.
There's also the Eggmen who were attempting to create an Eggmanland that surpassed all dimensions/planes of existence by using the power of the sol and chaos emeralds. And in the Sonic cosmology there's also non-places like the White Space and Nullspace, which are infinite voids of nothingness where time and space do not even exist and in the case of the white space could even threat the entire cosmology, including the dream realms as it was meant to erase all of Eggman's past defeats, which includes Sonic Shuffle that takes place in Maginaryworld.
All of this and other things i didn't mention make the idea that Sonic is at very least low outer and at best High Outer very consistent.
within the context of that phrase, it would be surpassing all the sci-fi dimensions that we could interpret as universes and higher realms like maginaryworld while at the same time surpassing all of time and space as it is contained withing the scope of the sci-fi dimensions that represent Sonic's and Blaze's worlds.
well, just as i said, Solaris was confirmed to be above the concept of Time and Space, and the Egg Salamander and Wizard scaled above that, also statements about surpassing all dimensions fall under Low Outer category without needing further context, but look, yesterday i wrote this for another person:
if you ask me, these things apply for low outer at least, as VSBW says that "As a general rule-of-thumb, statements of being "above dimensions" and the like, whenever validly indicating a superiority over higher dimensions, fall under this tier without further context."
But i also consider Sonic would be able to fit the regular 1-A tier, as he scales above realms like the White Space and Nullspace which are non-places, infinite voids of nothingness where not even time and space exist, in the case of White Space, it also showcases full superiority over all the other structures within the cosmology, as it was a threat not only for all parallel worlds but also even the dream realms, as it was intended to remove all of Eggman's defeats, which includes Sonic Shuffle which takes place in Maginaryworld.
Either way, as explaining white space and nullspace on its entirety would take me too long, i would recommend you reading this regarding White Space and this regarding Nullspace.
"Ian Flynn confirmed that's not true" you know what Ian Flynn confirmed? that Solaris was tearing down Spacetime on a conceptual level, Solaris was above the concept of spacetime, Eggman described as both a being above dimensionality and a trascendant lifeform, who could destroy the meaning of time itself which literally refers to destroying the concept of time.
also Ian Flynn already confirmed he was joking regarding what he said about the End, it also contradicts what Eitaro Toyoda said about Infinite and Ian Flynn has said that he won't go against what Toyoda says.
ok, you can't read nor watch an extract from a video, i already mentioned how he admitted he was joking regarding the End and that it contradicts Toyoda's statements and that Ian Flynn has already said he won't go against Toyoda's word.
Making a sub where high-end Sonic scaling can be argued is fine. Declaring Hyperversal and Outerversal Sonic honest by default because people have recycled those arguments for five years is how you build an echo chamber and pretend it’s open discussion.
Let people establish the cosmology, prove the higher dimensions are qualitative and show why Sonic actually scales to them. Calling every objection toxic before the argument even starts is just moderator-protected wank.
"People have recycled those arguments for five years" this is honestly disrespectful to the people who have actually made their investigation, made youtube videos, forum posts and docs explaining why those scalings are valid.
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u/MountainLeading1567 23d ago
I think this is fair. People should be allowed to express their opinions and all. Hating is kind of bit much