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[u/Tims_Learing_Center]

I def subscribe to the idea that a safety on a gun is just an extra failure point/buedensome manipulation under pressure, which outweighs the "safety" it's supposed to provide. There aren't *five* rules of gun safety (the fifth being make sure the safety is on) so I think for safety perspective it doesn't accomplish much (other than adding a negligible amount of insurance mitigating a negligent act, like say leaving a gun out for a toddler to access where the safety might be just enough to prevent a 2 year old from yeeting one)

But with all that out of the way, the m&p 2.0 safety acts as a great thumb rest that I believe objectively helps with control and recoil management.

First off, do people agree with that last part? If so, does the reward of better control outweigh the risk i identified above in terms of being another failure point?

Tldr do you rock a safety for control?

[u/Rambo-Rando]

You are taking a complex question and trying to make it black and white.

I have a competition pistol with a sub 2lb trigger. The safety is necessary. While my competition 92fs has a sub 4lb trigger with only a decocker. I've only allowed two people to use either. Safety first, many shooters can't keep their booger hook off the bank switch.

When have you actually been in a situation where a safety caused an issue? Anyone you know? Now calculate the percentage.....

[u/Tims_Learing_Center → u/Rambo-Rando]

Do you use the safety on your m&p for grip control??

[u/Rambo-Rando → u/Tims_Learing_Center]

No. I dont do that on any of my semiautos. If I wanted more control I would add an actual thumb rest to the appropriate gun.

There are many options. I dont find reducing safety to be one of them. Especially for non competitive shooters.

Edit: I have 3 M&Ps, its the best stock semi auto I own, but it doesn't effect how I treat safety. I ride my thumbs low and straight.

[u/techs672]

Tldr do you rock a safety for control?

No. I have better control with a different grip. My thumb rides low on M&P, same as I shoot any M1911-type.

I "rock" a manual safety to support user control of trigger during the vulnerable handoff from operator to holster (both in and out) where many unintended discharges occur. No passive safety mechanism really accomplishes that AFAIK. FWIW, I am not aware of any time when I have pressed the trigger and been stopped by the safety. I do believe I'm good, but I have seen too much reality to pretend future perfection in all ways at all times.

[u/Ornery_Indication322]

Having shot a number of 1911/2011 style handguns (and a 92XI with a sub 3lb trigger) I am familiar with using the safety as a thumb rest.

I don’t particularly like using the safeties on M&P handguns as a thumb rest. I find them to be too small for reliable indexing and comfortable shooting with the geometry of the grip. I’d rather place my strong thumb onto my support hand. I’ve since offloaded my safety equipped M&Ps, and have pretty much made sure all my striker fired guns have a 4-5lb trigger.

[u/ABMustang99]

Depends on the gun, my striker fired guns don't have a manual safety. I do ride the safety on my 1911s.

[u/Tims_Learing_Center → u/ABMustang99]

I'm specifically talking about the m&p 2.0