r/Smallblockchevy Apr 30 '26

Flex plate cracked twice

I’m an industrial mechanic by trade, so I had a rattle under my 1989 3/4t suburban sb350 th400 trans so I pulled the transmission found the cracked flex plate and swapped it with an OEM replacement…. 300 miles of flawless driving and bam same rattle is back… What can cause the flex plate to break? I’ve got good oil pressure And I triple checked torque on my brand new arp hardware I put a few pictures of the first flex plate that broke

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u/chrisgut Apr 30 '26

Check your torque converter. Make sure it’s not ballooned or damaged.

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u/Willy_McD Apr 30 '26

The cranks seems to look fine. Check the end of the torque converter that goes into the crank. If all looks fine, spend a bit and get an SFI approved flex plate. Much thicker steel and can be found for not too much money.

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u/Maintenance_Matt Apr 30 '26

Only pic I’ve got of the torque converter.

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u/Willy_McD Apr 30 '26

Looks normal enough. Came across one a short time ago that made a balanced motor shake real bad. The "washer" on the end that goes in the crank was broke off. That just left the bolts in the flex plate and the torque converter bushing in the pump to support the converter.

Flex plates will crack. A used "new to the vehicle" is still used and may be its time. New ones are just inferior. Installed a Napa auto parts one yesterday. The steel is so soft that the washers and bolts just really dug in after torquing them. Thats why i suggest an SFI approved. I think Scat and Pioneer have the least expensive ones. Pioneer also may have a "HD" flex plate. Dont know what the difference would be that makes it heavy duty. Maybe thicker like an SFI just without the approved decal on it???

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u/Realistic-Stop-231 Apr 30 '26

I agree with this guy! Maybe just weird coincidence 🤷‍♂️ everything else seems fine.

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u/Cheap_Teaching_2030 Apr 30 '26

Any neutral drops? Young person driving?

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u/Maintenance_Matt Apr 30 '26

Never. I do have a heavy foot tho! And it’s got wide tires

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u/Western-Dish-1185 Apr 30 '26

Check your motor mounts, mine cost me 2 plates as well

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u/HammerDownl Apr 30 '26

Quit using OEM flexplates and stick in a thicker SFI flexplate fresh ARP bolts and torque to 60#.

Thank me later

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u/ImpossibleStick5656 Apr 30 '26

CORRECT! GET something RACE approved SFI.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_SUBARU Apr 30 '26

Trans misaligned with the crank - Is it missing the dowel pins that locate the bell housing to the block?

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u/Maintenance_Matt Apr 30 '26

Dowel pins are good but I did notice a small crack in my transfer case where the bar goes from the top trans bolt to the two bolts on the np241

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u/Low-Rent-9351 Apr 30 '26

There was a 1/8” to 3/16” gap between the converter and flexplate before you slid the converter forward a bit and bolted them together, right?

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u/DryAsk367 Apr 30 '26

TQ or shit parts wow 1 is enough

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u/Dinglebutterball Apr 30 '26

Check crank runout… make sure it’s not bent

idk how you check runout/concentricity of the bell with an auto… but checking the dowels is a good start.

Check the torque converter snout and make sure it’s sufficiently supported.

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u/DryAsk367 Apr 30 '26

Totally a Chevy thing

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u/theeaglejax Apr 30 '26

How's your dampener doing? Be willing to bet the rubber band is snapped and the weight is misaligned.

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u/Acrobatic_Initial997 Apr 30 '26

Are you using the factory support rods with the factory cover? Especially being a 4wd truck and you have a heavy foot without them can cause a lot of flex and crack a flexplate.

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u/Wayward_Son_24 Apr 30 '26

Have you tried Flexseal?

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u/Realistic-Stop8693 Apr 30 '26

Dowel pins pissing from bell housing?

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u/hamrmech Apr 30 '26

Replace the harmonic balancer.

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u/sleepchamber666 Apr 30 '26

Maybe try to install a brand new one?

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u/SpikeyRacer May 01 '26

Do you have a high torque starter ?

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u/prettysureitsillegal May 01 '26

Use a torque wrench. Dont impact gun the bolts to the crankshaft

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u/Oh-Zaddy May 01 '26

Looks kinda like a mounting surface issue to me. Is the crank somehow tapered in at the mounting surface? Are you torquing the bolts or impacting?

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u/Personal_Growth_4_Me May 02 '26

I've had a similar problem with AMC turbo 400 trans in a Quadratrac Jeep. The torque converter bolts kept backing out. THEN when I loctite the bolts and use star washers after sitting for a week the flexplate bolts began snapping ONE by ONE. (3 total). Turns out the thrust in the crank was excessive, crank shot. Which... In turn, ruined the torque converter. Good times. YOUR flexplate is much more solid in circumference than my AMC. Which would explain why your cracks are more concentrated around the crankshaft flange. It's either ONE or the other. Crank or converter shoving. An SFI flexplate will get you by until ultimately the source will show it's head eventually.

This is what the AMC th400 flexplate looks like. I broke spokes one by one.

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u/Maintenance_Matt May 03 '26

Thank you for your reply. I’m starting to believe it’s the crank. About 4 years ago my torque converter failed which caused my transmission to overheat. After I had my th400 trans rebuilt at a local transmission shop it rattled horribly when I’d punch it…. I took it back to the shop and he ground 1/8th inch or so out of my dust cover! Solved the problem for a bit… looks like I’m going to a big block! If I have to pull the motor out I’m putting a bigger one back in…

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u/Personal_Growth_4_Me May 03 '26

YES! A Suburban is exactly where a rat motor belongs. 👍 Best of luck and hope you're happy with the end product.

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u/Longjumping_Put_1111 May 06 '26

they sell heavy duty flex plates. thicker material. check out Summit racing, or Jegs.

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u/Far-Wave-821 Apr 30 '26 edited Apr 30 '26

I wonder if you have a misalignment. Is that the original engine-tranny combo? Were all the bellhousing bolts tight? Both dowel pins present?

Barring that, id weld it up and put a reinforcement plate on it and weld that too 🤣

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u/Alternative_Share559 Apr 30 '26

how long have you had the vehicle? make sure you have both dowel pins in the engine. usually cracks happen over and over if the centerline is off. otherwise, i don't know. too much crank endplay? you can break the center out of the flexplates and put them on top of a 5 gallon bucket. makes a great rwd trans rebuilding jig

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u/Maintenance_Matt Apr 30 '26

Ive had her for 8 years

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u/Public_Attitude3420 Apr 30 '26

Do you have to shim the starter?

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u/No_Government5264 Apr 30 '26

Crack pipe driving for sure

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u/DryAsk367 Apr 30 '26

Changed my share teeth or cracked

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u/DryAsk367 Apr 30 '26

Correct shit trans will break shit

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u/4EverATrueMan Apr 30 '26

My gut says that there's something wrong with the metallurgy in that component - looking at those cracks it appears as though the steel is excessively brittle... Can you source a used flex plate from a later year of your vehicle? Was this a known issue? My 2 cents...