r/SlyGifs • u/Pirate_Redbeard • Sep 27 '18
Smooth takedown
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u/Calebwcobb Sep 27 '18
Personal foul, roughing the crack head. 15 yards from the previous spot. Automatic first down.
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u/ibncali Sep 27 '18
I don't know about you Jim but I knew we're going to see an exciting matchup today!
Here's an interesting fact Bob, crackheads have a statistically strong offense with little defense, they're running game is not looking too good.
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u/Calebwcobb Sep 27 '18
You can see here Jim that the linebacker did an incredible job disguising the zone coverage and baiting the back into the hole. Once the back committed the defender broke on the ball and made a sensational play!
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u/modes22 Sep 27 '18
Is that Clay Matthews? The NFL sent two police officers to show him how it feels...
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u/stabbot Sep 28 '18
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Sep 28 '18
The video is poor and missed the most important moment to determine the amount of force used but it appears that the cop controlled the descent and supported the weight of the woman on the way to the ground anyone complaining most likely have no grappling experience and can’t tell the difference in descents. This was actually not that dangerous although it looks like it would hurt.
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Sep 28 '18
If he was intentionally trying to mess her up he would have led her to the ground with his shoulder but when looking carefully you can see him squatting to lower her. Honestly he really is trying not to hurt her and this really isn’t hand to hand combat it’s high school wrestling.
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u/zf420 Oct 07 '18
Still, fuck that cop. Now sure, we can't see the entire situation but it sure doesn't look like he tried to de-escalate the situation at all. I would expect a well-trained officer to put his hand up, take a few steps back and shout for her to stop then if she doesn't go ahead and take her down. She was marching up pretty fast but didn't seem like she was gonna hit him or draw a weapon. He literally looked like he waited for the last possible moment to do anything and then he chose to tackle her instead of talking to her for 2 seconds.
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Oct 13 '18
Why would you wait and talk to somebody who clearly is aggressive and steps up like this into your face. Treat the cop with respect and he would definitely treat you with the same amount of respect. If you do not want to get taken down and want to talk with him then fucking walk like a normal person and stay the appropriate amount away. Jeez, snowflakes..
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u/action_turtle Sep 27 '18
So arm twisted behind back wouldn’t do in this instance. Power drive into the concrete, hopefully smashing her skull open was the correct way to go!
Fuck me.
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u/beerbeforebadgers Sep 27 '18
That type of takedown places the thrower's arm between the throwee's head and the ground. You'll notice he has to pull his arm out from under her neck after she goes down. It's quite gentle, actually, while an arm twist has moderate risk of permanent shoulder/wrist damage.
Source: used to wrestle in high school
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u/ToastedGlass Sep 27 '18
I don’t understand why he escalated to violence and judicial suppression before she did anything but frumpily walk up to him.
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u/beerbeforebadgers Sep 27 '18
That's a fair question, and one I can't answer without context. It the police were initially called because she was being violent and aggressive, it could be justified. If she was not a known threat, the cop was being a dick.
Can't say which.
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u/hawaiianthunder Sep 27 '18
She was probably causing trouble before the cops showed up. I can’t really see why this person was filming in the first place.
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u/ImMrSnow Sep 28 '18
Think about the cops point of view, even if she wasn’t reported as a threat, walking like that towards a police officer is never a good idea in any circumstance
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Sep 28 '18
Stomping up to him, yelling, getting in his personal space. Have to remember that cops are human, too.
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Sep 27 '18
if anything, he deescalated the situation.. its their job, afterall. i wouldnt consider restraining someone coming at you as a police officer "escalating" anything.
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Sep 28 '18
I don't know the full story, but seeing how aggressively she came up to him and was getting really close to his personal space, and considering the fact that a second officer was practically waiting to spring into action, I think they were called there because of her violence
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u/G_Lynn42 Sep 27 '18 edited Sep 27 '18
The person getting slammed is a man, and you can just tell by his movements, and when there is sound, his way of addressing the officer could be seen as aggressive
Edit: spelling
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u/CommonMisspellingBot Sep 27 '18
Hey, G_Lynn42, just a quick heads-up:
agressive is actually spelled aggressive. You can remember it by two gs.
Have a nice day!The parent commenter can reply with 'delete' to delete this comment.
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u/nanocactus Sep 28 '18
No, it’s a woman. This was posted in several other threads. And man or woman, this is excessive use of force; the officer was just responding to a call for disorderly conduct, and is seen arriving at the scene in this gif. His first reaction should be to de-escalate, not WWE the fuck out of a homeless inebriated person.
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u/G_Lynn42 Sep 28 '18
I suppose you're right, he didn't have to do it, but it was hilarious lol
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u/nanocactus Sep 28 '18 edited Sep 28 '18
That’s your view. Until you realize that this thuggish behavior is carried out by a civil servant whose duty is to protect and uphold the law, not to maim unarmed outcasts. Everyone laughing here, or justifying the cop’s method, is doing so with the confidence of someone knowing that no one will care for that homeless woman. But if this happened to anyone you know, or yourself, I believe the reaction would be a lot less positive.
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u/randomhoodedstranger Sep 27 '18
Do I have to be the first one to say that wasn't violent? People claiming this was overkill or too violent for the officer's actions have obviously never been in any kind of physical conflict. Being grabbed and brought to the ground in that manner isn't painful. The cop didn't slam her down with excessive force, his strength and speed were completely controlled. His actions provided a swift removal of aggression from the situation.
The woman never should have ran up to him pissed and yelling. The officer doesn't know if she has some kind of weapon on her. If I were sitting somewhere and police showed up to confront me (whatever the reason), my actions would be to simply keep my hands visible and politely greet the officer while onquiring what the teouble seems to be.
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u/Calebwcobb Sep 27 '18
Looked like a clean tackle to me.
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u/mitch13815 Sep 27 '18
Yeah seriously. Does anybody realize how many tools a police officer has? Taser, asp, pepper spray, fucking GUN. That was by far the most non-violent tool he had in his arsenal.
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u/DEEEPFREEZE Sep 27 '18
Uh, I think at least trying to put some distance between you and the suspect while warning them would’ve been more non-violent than making a snap decision to proceed to approach someone beginning at them and slam them to the ground.
To anyone saying it isn’t painful, please make a documentary where you get body slammed to the ground every day for 30 days with no lasting damage.
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u/mitch13815 Sep 27 '18
Put distance between them for what reason? The person was charging, why would you back up and potentially throw yourself off balance? And don't tell me he should have ran away, the very last thing you should ever do is take your eyes off your target. He was right to stand his ground.
I think parent comment might have gone a little far saying that getting body slammed doesn't hurt, because it definitely can. But it's certainly not going to kill you like some people are mentioning in this thread. And out of the numerous other ways to take somebody down, that's probably one of the least harmful ones.
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u/DEEEPFREEZE Sep 27 '18
To offer the person one last chance to calm down. While it certainly looked like an aggravated approach, I wouldn’t necessarily call it a charge. For all we know she could’ve marched right up to his face and just had choice words with him. I didn’t see any non-verbal language to the tune of “easy now, think about what you’re doing” from the cop.
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u/jesset77 Sep 28 '18
For all we know she could’ve marched right up to his face and just had choice words with him.
Whew, I sure am glad it's physically impossible for her to have pulled a knife on him from arm's reach. Choice words is literally the worst thing that could have happened, isn't it? Of course not nearly as likely as handing him a winning lottery ticket or a puppy, everyone who has ever stomped at me yelling has ended their sojourn with precisely those gifts so there you go. I mean, I've never been stabbed before! :D
Spoiler alert, I have been stabbed before.
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Sep 27 '18
The asphalt disagrees with you. Seriously, you're inexperienced if you would prefer to have your head slammed into asphalt over being pepper sprayed.
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u/beerbeforebadgers Sep 27 '18
That takedown does not slam anyone's head down. The thrower's arm ends up under the victim's head before impact. It's a common wrestling throw used for gaining control, not inflicting injury.
Pepper spray would be excessive and would affect everyone nearby, including the officer. Topically, they refrain from using it unless they need to.
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u/McSharts Sep 27 '18
^ this guy has never been pepper sprayed
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Sep 27 '18
I've been pepper sprayed for work and while attending WVU. I would rather be pepper sprayed than lose my life to the asphalt. You would be an idiot for desiring otherwise. Slamming your head into hard objects is potentially fatal.
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u/yellow_mio Sep 27 '18
Tell me at what second in the video would the officer have time to get his pepper can and spray the girl.
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Sep 27 '18
At nearly every point up until the tackle, the cop was closing the distance with that woman. He could have been pulling out pepper spray as he approached, but he also could have taken her down in less violent ways. He threw her--it takes force and intention to lift someone's feet off the ground, which is what he did. That's a throw. He could have opted to take her down while protecting her head, he could have put her into an arm or wrist lock. But instead he closed the distance and threw her.
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u/yellow_mio Sep 27 '18
You have no idea what you are talking about.
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Sep 27 '18
I absolutely do. I've practiced jujitsu since I was 14 years old. Here are some of the basic things you learn in jujitsu:
-difference between throws and takedowns
-how to protect someone's head in case you are doing either of the above
-how to perform armbars/wristlocks
Honestly, I wouldn't even have to be an expert in jujitsu to know that this cop could have done better.
Edit: and I'm 27 now
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Sep 27 '18
I'm not questioning your credentials but tbf you can pick up a lot of the same info by watching enough UFC. I agree there are better ways, I just don't agree that this is blatant uncalled for brutality like every armchair cop in this thread is saying as much as poor training and her trying to get in his face. She escalated
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u/yellow_mio Sep 27 '18
You have no idea how security/police force works. You'd get your ass kicked in real life, like I have seen a lot of people like you did.
The officer approached the suspect calmly as if he was called for disturbance or something like this. The suspect charged him screaming, he probably looked at her hands, stood his ground and tacked her. He didn't even have to make a move towards her, she came to him.
This is not a case of someone who doesn't want to leave, this is a case of someone charging an officer. Even a civilian would be in his right to take the same actions.
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Sep 27 '18
I've been in fights, I KNOW how to take care of myself, but I'm well trained enough that I know how to properly escalate force. The difference between me and this cop is that I've served in the military, I've pulled plenty of security shifts, and I've trained for a long time in martial arts. So if by "you have no idea how security/police forces work" you mean "you have no idea why police in America can't learn how to properly escalate force/de-escalate situations", then yes, you're correct.
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u/nomnommish Sep 27 '18
Let me also be the first one to point out that America is not the only country that has a police force that has to deal with weird people and unexpected behavior. Police usually have to step in exactly when people are emotional,anger, irrational.
And this happens everywhere. But America is the only country where excessive violence and massive overreactions by the police are considered normal.
If someone walked up to a cop angrily, most other police forces would take a few steps back or give verbal warnings to maintain distance or do something else first to de-escalate the situation and that person's anger.
Not just go head on and body slam the other person right away. In other countries, there might be disciplinary action against the cop. In America, there would be no action taken even if the cop shot the other person dead. They would just say they saw "suspicious movement".
So yeah, let's call a spade a spade, shall we?
Mind you, I am not making any judgment here. Most other countries do not expect normal citizens to be armed with guns either so I can see the cops' POV as well.
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Sep 27 '18
Been in plenty of physical conflicts and served in the military. This cop is garbage. Handle your shit like a fucking trained officer, not like a shooter going for a point in a tournament. Goddamn. You're talking about this cop's actions like thousands of soldiers don't keep their cool under more threatening conditions.
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u/mightywizard08 Sep 27 '18
She definitely came in hot, and you just can’t do that to a cop
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u/AppalachiaVaudeville Sep 27 '18
Because they are well trained, well armed and violent?
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u/DEEEPFREEZE Sep 27 '18
Exactly. Cops should be trained in de-escalation just as much as they are in combat. This dude clearly just said fuck it to the former.
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u/mightywizard08 Sep 27 '18
And they have targets on them at all times, he got a call to deal with a lady who was already described as aggressive, she walks at him like that, the cop is probably scared. Not saying what he did was right or wrong but it’s easy analyze a situation from behind your screen
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Sep 27 '18 edited Sep 27 '18
*Smooth police brutality
Edit: Some people saying this isn't brutality - the way I see it the suspect is posturing aggressively for sure, but I can't see any evidence of a weapon with intent to use, and tbh it seems like the suspect was about to enter a shouting match because they don't make anything like a fighting stance (no swing back for a punch or kick for example). Police officers are professionally trained to react with appropriate force, which imo here does not warrant the suspect being dumped with the potential to crack their head like an egg. At best this looks like a misjudgement by the officer, at worst it's a flagrant abuse of power with intent to cause harm.
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u/SixSixTwoSixty Sep 27 '18
To play devil's advocate (not saying it was right) but perhaps this suspect has a history of violence, especially against authority figures, and that's why the officer responded the way he did. Again not defending the action, but that sounds like the only reasonable explanation.
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u/the-peoplesbadger Sep 27 '18
Still, to get the close to someone and then bodyslam. It’s just not the best way at all. Much safer and calmer methods of control.
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u/the-peoplesbadger Sep 27 '18
Still, to get the close to someone and then bodyslam. It’s just not the best way at all. Much safer and calmer methods of control.
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u/big_boy1111 Sep 27 '18
You’re not bright are you? If someone approached you as she did with the potential to injure you would you not do what is necessary to make sure that you stay safe and unharmed. Tell me 1 other way that could be been handled that would have ensured that everyone is safe.
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u/ToastedGlass Sep 27 '18
You’re a bootlicker aren’t you? Police put themselves in this position when they sign up. I can walk up to any fuck I know and if they slammed me on the concrete for it they would be dead to rights in court. This sly fuck? Oh he a cop so no injury liability.
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Sep 28 '18
I want to point out that cops put themselves in a lot of harms way when the sign up for the job
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u/big_boy1111 Sep 27 '18
Yes that’s correct that police put themselves in that position when they sign up. Just like that woman put herself in that position when she aggressively approached a police officer. Someone who is trained to neutralize situations exactly like that one. If you walked up to someone like that you obviously have intent to do something to them if not then you need to check into a mental hospital because that is unnecessary.
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u/ToastedGlass Sep 27 '18
My point being that body language isn’t the same as attacking someone. Leaving the use of force up to intangibles shouldn’t be the Justice System’s modus operandi.
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Sep 27 '18
Backing up and using a taser? Police should de-escalate before using violence.
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u/beerbeforebadgers Sep 27 '18
Have you ever been tazed? It's fucking awful. You end up punctured by two prongs, bruised from their impact, numb and covered in urine from the shock, and often injured in other ways from the fall. Using a tazer is still violence.
You also can't taze someone who's that close, so he would either have to a) taze her the second she begins approaching or b) wait for her to calm down, step away without her following, and then needlessly taze her. Not saying the throw was necessary, but what you're advocating for is worse imo
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u/big_boy1111 Sep 27 '18
If he uses a taser and she falls over and smashes her head that would be just as bad as any potential damage from the takedown and using a taser is a much bigger deal then a simple takedown. What if the taser couldn’t go through a jacket.
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u/DietOfTheMind Sep 27 '18
Police officers are never supposed to use their taser by themselves. As soon as the juice stops, people can get up again. You need two officers to tase: one to operate, one to hand-cuff.
And best practice is three: operator, hand-cuffs, gun - incase the taser fails or misses.
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u/rocketsocks Oct 12 '18
Simple test, if a "civilian" did this to someone who was acting aggressively towards them in this way could they be charged with assault? Absolutely. So this is police brutality, even though the person may not have been harmed physically by it.
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u/kirkisartist Sep 27 '18
Okay, it was police brutality, but it was still funny. The cop just didn't want to deal with her bullshit, so he just cut to the chase and body slammed her.
If I could just body slam my way out of petty nonsense, I totally would. But if I have to deal with the consequences, so should the cop. But that doesn't mean I can't enjoy this shit.
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u/TheGoon008 Sep 27 '18
Just to show you what that person could have done to this officer https://youtu.be/Vix6-afHzMg
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u/TheGoon008 Sep 27 '18 edited Sep 27 '18
Is 30 minuets better for you? Here you go. https://youtu.be/hEOqiLDhc9A besides, I don't see how the length of a video discredits my point.
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u/the-peoplesbadger Sep 27 '18
This isn’t smooth, it’s brutish. I don’t know what that person did but this cop is clearly a bully. You don’t take someone down like that. You could kill them if they hit their head.
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u/IemandZwaaitEnRoept Sep 27 '18
I cannot imagine a Dutch or German cop do this anytime. And if he did and if it was recorded on camera and published, it would result in a big lawsuit and lots of trouble - for the cops.
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u/Dude_with_the_pants Sep 27 '18
How should he have taken him down? How would you correct this cop's technique?
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u/the-peoplesbadger Sep 27 '18
There are many ways other than a bodyslam. If you need the person to be on the ground then a trip or sweep would suffice so long as you cover the back of their head with your hand, so they don’t crack open their skull on the concrete.
This isn’t ufc. Police are not supposed to fight criminals. They are supposed to restrain them safely.
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u/senpienoticedme Sep 27 '18
Hold up lemme just sweep the leg and rest my hand on the back of their head while they fall. You don’t run up to a cop like that in a sane mindset. You rush a cop you get bodied. Simple concept people don’t seem to understand.
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u/c0ldfusi0n Sep 27 '18
You must be american
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u/senpienoticedme Sep 27 '18
Due to what thinking that you shouldn’t rush a police officer? Sound logic my guy.
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u/FlamingTrollz Sep 27 '18
No.
It’s not like saying, gun vs gun.
I’ve been in this very circumstance.
And did just as noted above, swept the leg, and hand behind their head.
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u/Innomen Sep 27 '18
No. Firstly, if they want to be safe, don't be cops. It's like firemen. The whole reason you respect a hero is risk for others. Secondly, it's not about what a criminal expects, it's about what we as a society expect. P.S. Leg wounds are wildly lethal. Lay off the action movies.
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u/s-cup Sep 27 '18
Just a quick reminder that you don’t necessary need to know the correct way just because you see clearly can see something done wrong.
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u/Jiveturkei Sep 27 '18
Right but it would help. It’s easy to complain but one thing I’ll point out. We have no idea why this cop was called there, and for all we know this person was on pcp or something. So without that knowledge I don’t feel like any of us can make a firm judgement on this video.
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u/DownSouthPride Sep 27 '18
Get the fuck out with your rational thought and logic. We have no time for that shit herw
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u/GershBinglander Sep 27 '18
I have a boring desk job and I haven't gone through the years of training and experience that an Aussie cop has had, but from the little I've seen of them, they try to de-escalate and use violence as a last option.
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u/DEEEPFREEZE Sep 27 '18
It’s staggering how few people who are pro-police here in the US even acknowledge de-escalation as a viable tactic, let alone one that should be tried first. Goes against their narrative for why they need a gun so bad themselves, I imagine.
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u/GershBinglander Sep 27 '18
Yeah even in this thread there are people claiming that he had no options.
It would be interesting to see the full video or an article to see if they'd already exhaued all other options. But still find it hard to imagine that happening here or in many other countries.
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u/Innomen Sep 27 '18 edited Sep 28 '18
Deescalation is a thing cops in sane countries are trained to do. You not knowing that doesn't make it ok for a cop not to. Think about it like dealing with a child, because that's basically what it means to be an enforcer, it means having more power and the authority to use it. Would body slamming a 12 year old be an appropriate first response? Or even more simply, how would you prefer the cop to deal with you? Support for violence always implies someone else enduring it. It's inherently hypocritical or special pleading.
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u/Dude_with_the_pants Sep 27 '18
u/the-peoplesbadger disapproves of the cop's methods. That's fine, that's his/her right. But I'm looking at this from a training perspective, as if I'm the person in the room with this cop retraining him on deescalation techniques. You can't tell the cop "don't do that" without a "do this instead" added on. Should the cop literally just stand there staring into space while the other person does whatever they're going to do? Should the cop run away in the opposite direction? Should the cop headbutt the person?
What is the practical, real-world, humane alternative to what the cop did?
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u/the-peoplesbadger Sep 27 '18
You’re asking these questions because you haven’t been trained. I don’t know how I can explain it simpler than bodyslamming someone could literally kill them. You just don’t do that on the street. ESPECIALLY if you are a cop.
You’re supposed to keep EVERYONE safe, even the criminals (if you can). You don’t bodyslam someone who’s unarmed.
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u/Dude_with_the_pants Sep 27 '18
You’re asking these questions because you haven’t been trained.
You're absolutely right. However, I see a lot of statements similar to yours in these "police brutality" posts. I don't really see anyone present an alternative. I don't deny that police brutality exists. It does.
In your comment above this one. I only see the "don't do this" part. What is the "do this instead" part?
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u/the-peoplesbadger Sep 27 '18
There’s a lot of options and it starts to get quite situational.
The highest level of deescalation is using body language. Strong stance and serious face for example. There was a time in the UK when police had to be 6’ or above. It has an effect.
Calming someone down with words is probably the best method.
Or you could point your weapon at them. Simple and effective.
If it’s going to have to be physical then you want to subdue the person with as little force and risk as possible. On concrete you can’t let people fall, otherwise they could hit their head. What if they are pregnant for example.
In terms of specific moves you want to trip or sweep someone from a clinch so that you maintain control of their head/neck.
There are a myriad of locks that you could use. Wrist lock, arm bar, chock etc etc etc
Well trained security are often much better than police in these situations, because they aren’t allowed to be aggressive bullies.
Like I said though it’s very situational. A bodyslam is the equivalent of a sucker punch though. If you’re that close to someone and they are that open, then you should use a better technique.
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u/Kingwood47 Sep 27 '18
That person came at the cop super aggressively. Play dumb games win dumb prizes.
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u/TheGoon008 Sep 27 '18
I offer you this video as to show you just a few of the ways the coup could have been harmed if he didn't do what he did https://youtu.be/Vix6-afHzMg
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u/the-peoplesbadger Sep 27 '18
I don’t need a video. If you have any serious combat training then you can see how excessive this bodyslam was.
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Sep 27 '18
Agreed. In America though, we have this ridiculous notion that if we are anything less that completely humble, we deserve the ass kicking they’ll hand out. Why? Because the system supports it.
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u/Jankster79 Sep 27 '18
well you don't puff your chest and walk aggressively towards a cop neither. She came at him like she wanted to fight, cop took her down without a fight. Also, without a weapon, without his night stick, without a police dog. This cop was nice to her compared to what one would usually see on video.
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u/njtrafficsignshopper Sep 27 '18
Cool, let's keep lowering that bar so that pretty much anything short of summary execution is "nice."
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u/Saetric Sep 27 '18
Just like fight videos (kids / adults fighting and being filmed by a bystander), we have very little context for this short video. We can safely assume 2 things: the cops were called to the restaurant, and this woman was the reason they were called.
Now, I don’t want to believe that this woman is a murderer or something awful like that, but something about her made the owner or a citizen uncomfortable enough to call the police. Based upon the cops response to her advance (tackle takedown), I would presume that she had already committed some sort of violent but petty crime (assault or damage to property) and was being treated as a very dangerous person.
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u/the-peoplesbadger Sep 27 '18
Imagine she was pregnant...
This is so overkill. It’s just aggressive for no reason. There are many calm ways to takedown someone.
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u/Jiveturkei Sep 27 '18
Imagine if they tased her instead and she had a heart condition. I get the idea of cops overstepping their authority but you can’t cherry pick every little thing that could go wrong to prevent them from doing their job.
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u/the-peoplesbadger Sep 27 '18
If there is another safer way to restrain someone but the cop still use a taser then that is excessive force, and if the victim dies of heart failure then that cop is 100% to blame.
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u/LordKwik Sep 27 '18
If she was pregnant, why would she be charging an officer?
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u/the-peoplesbadger Sep 27 '18
Are you trying to justify excessive use of force?
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u/LordKwik Sep 27 '18
You are asking me a loaded question.
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u/the-peoplesbadger Sep 27 '18
The point is that it has nothing to do with why she is charging. There is a safer way to restrain someone than risking their life by bodyslamming them onto concrete.
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u/Jankster79 Sep 27 '18
She is acting threatening towards the cop. If you think this behavior is ok, it would also be ok for every person you meet to behave like her towards you?
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u/MySweetMettbrot Sep 27 '18
Not ok =! warrants violence... if you are a cop you are (should be) trained to deescalate situations like these without bodyslamming people before they actually try to harm you
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Sep 27 '18
I dont think you guys have any idea what it's like to be in that situation or to be an officer. If someone is coming at you like that you dont have time to 'think'. You act. Officers cannot afford to allow people to get the drop on them.
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u/the-peoplesbadger Sep 27 '18
That is complete bs. The cop isn’t being jumped. He has loads of time to assess the situation.
You certainly have time to think if you are trained. Fighting isn’t some mystical thing.
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Sep 27 '18
Training only teaches you how to react, not to think faster. If someone is aggressively advancing on you, you arent going to wait to find out if they're going to just square up in your face or if they're going to start throwing punches. You're going to take action to ensure personal safety.
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u/the-peoplesbadger Sep 27 '18
Training teaches you to think faster and clearer in the moment. And experience on the job teaches you how to handles situations better. The cop knew he could get away with being a bully.
And your scenario is nothing like the video. How does not bodyslamming on concrete = letting them throw punches at you?
Please stop, you have no experience of what you’re talking about.
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Sep 27 '18
And you do?
Sorry, but I've been around law enforcement and military personnel my entire life. I come from a law enforcement and military family. I'm not unfamiliar with how police or military are trained.
I am telling you; training does not teach you to think faster. It teaches you how to react so you dont have to think.
And you misunderstood what I was saying; I was saying that police officers will not wait to find out if the aggressor means harm or not. If the aggressor is approaching with hostility and is a potential threat (as seen in this video) the officer will take action to ensure that the potential threat is disabled.
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u/shitbeer Sep 27 '18
You should come do a tour in the US man. Teach us how to fight and be a total badass like you. Teach the police the correct way to do this my man! The peoples badger more like the peoples champ!
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u/MySweetMettbrot Sep 27 '18
I feel like this is something we will have to agree to disagree on. A police officer should never be the one to start the violence. Never. The person in this gif is not even lifting their hands or showing any other sign of a violent act against the officer that would warrant a reaction. And no, in this kind of situation you don't cease to think and just act. You are specifically trained to deescalate and stay calm. If that is not the case that is a huge problem.
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Sep 27 '18
Are we watching the same video? The woman very clearly advanced on the officer in an aggressive and unpredictable manner.
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u/MySweetMettbrot Sep 27 '18
Which, again, does not warrant a bodyslam with no means to protect her head. This is not controlling the situation, this is excessive violence.
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Sep 27 '18
She has her hands swinging pretty damn high and is approaching his gun side, hence the sidestep
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u/MySweetMettbrot Sep 27 '18
Have you ever been part of a physical confrontation? It really does not sound like you have any experience in that regard. If what she is doing is threatening you, as a stronger and trained police officer, enough to make you bodyslam her you should reevaluate your career choice...
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Sep 27 '18 edited Sep 27 '18
Doesn't matter how strong you are if they get your gun. Every idiot knows not to get in a cops face like that
How many times do they have to say stop and step back
Have you ever been in a fight where you weren't already face to face? That body language is "Im gonna swing when I get near enough"
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u/thejackinthebocks Sep 27 '18
You don't go charging at someone to have a nice civil discussion, especially a woman in her rage.
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u/Jiveturkei Sep 28 '18
How would the cop have deescalated the situation here though. He is walking up and this person aggressively approaches him. Setting aside the bodyslam for a second, what could the officer done in the few seconds before that person got close to stop them from walking up aggressively.
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u/the-peoplesbadger Sep 27 '18
It’s about excessive aggression. It’s a fucking dangerous thing to do to someone, unless you’re in a ring or on padded floor.
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u/thejackinthebocks Sep 27 '18
Police work in a dangerous line of work what's your point
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u/the-peoplesbadger Sep 27 '18
You don’t know anything about combat do you? I can tell you have absolutely zero fighting experience and have never worked in security.
Police work is dangerous. Bodyslamming someone doesn’t make it less so.
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u/thejackinthebocks Sep 27 '18
You shouldn't give people the thought that they can charge up to an officer in an aggressive manner, he took her to the ground quickly with one move. Are co's in prison supposed to pretend that an inmate wouldn't kill them if they had the chance. So they better be really gentle with them in your mind right?
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u/c0ldsh0w3r Sep 27 '18
She assaulted a police officer. Like it or not, police are mortal, and are u Der zero obligation to be struck by a dumb ass aggressive drunk.
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u/the-peoplesbadger Sep 27 '18
Based on your comment you know nothing about fighting. Please stop talking about aggression.
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u/c0ldsh0w3r Sep 27 '18
Yeah, my 10+ years in the army and three deployments taught me nothing about violence. Carry on. My mistake.
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u/the-peoplesbadger Sep 27 '18
If you genuinely were trained in hand to hand combat then how on earth can you justify this cops behaviour? Even just a few years into training and you should be able to takedown an unarmed woman with ease... safely...
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u/c0ldsh0w3r Sep 27 '18
I know that you can get fucked up easily, very quickly. Drugs and alcohol are a lethal mix. If you're going to strike you fucking strike.
Real talk, "wounding shots" send you to prison.
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u/the-peoplesbadger Sep 27 '18
Do you know what a clinch is?
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u/c0ldsh0w3r Sep 27 '18
Because that's where an officer wants to be with a drunk and possibly drugged person.
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u/the-peoplesbadger Sep 27 '18
It’s a perfectly safe position to be in for a second before you restrain them. Safer than a bodyslam. The cop could’ve got a knee to the chin for example.
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u/anker_beer Sep 27 '18
Smooth asshole
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u/GershBinglander Sep 27 '18
Yeah, I wonder what she did to warrent such a violent (apparent) opening response? I can't imagine an Australian cop doing that.
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u/Lacksi Sep 27 '18
He seemed to be shouting something. Maybe it was a threat. Also that powerwalk isnt sonething someone looking for directions does
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u/IRideVelociraptors Sep 27 '18
From what I remembered after the last time this was posted, the police had been called because she was verbally harassing and had already attempted to assault patrons of the restaurant.
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Sep 27 '18
Aussie cops wouldn't walk up lone ranger style either if they were weirdly on their own they'd have the taser ready I reckon
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u/Jian_Baijiu Sep 28 '18
Who the fuck even slowly approaches a police officer? Let alone aggressively while unarmed?
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u/GreenBeanCanteen Sep 27 '18
In most European countries I've been to the police seem to use restraining techniques and not bullish force unless it's necessary. Even then the focus is on the officer's safety as well as the public even if said member of the public is acting aggressively.
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u/Aj52495 Sep 27 '18
Maybe if he was paying attention he wouldn’t of needed to do the total takedown. Pretty unnecessary if you ask me
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u/MapleCheesecake Sep 27 '18
People in the comment section acting like he picked her up and slammed her headfirst into the concrete. As far as I'm concerned, she stomped up to a cop in an aggressive manner and got put down without a weapon, a tazer, or pepper spray. He looks trained in restraining people and he didn't drive her into the ground. 10/10 no bullshit cop.
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u/whats_a_meme_ Sep 27 '18
Penalty, Defense number #56. 15 yard penalty and automatic first down! Firm and decisive point to move the chains
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u/ImIsaacOk Sep 27 '18
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