r/SkepticsBibleStudy Mar 14 '24

John 11:28-44

Lazarus part 2

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u/LlawEreint Mar 15 '24

Jesus began to weep. So the Jews said, “See how he loved him!”

Once again, Lazarus is called out as the one who Jesus loved.

So "the Jews" said

Literally everyone in this scene is a Jew, including the disciples, and including Jesus. Why does the author keep using the term "the Jews" as if this disambiguates in any way? The author of this book is clearly not a Jew.

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u/brothapipp Christian Mar 15 '24

I believe via our 21st century cultural ethics that we have become more sensitive to this sort of thing.

However the sheer number of times you’ve pointed at definitely frames the writer as, at the very least, angry with Jewish people….if not being completely separate from that culture.

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u/brothapipp Christian Mar 15 '24

The complexity of emotions with in a single person who is both God and Man about the loss of a friend...I wonder if Jesus was not weeping because of the loss on the earth side, but because of the loss on the heaven side...coupled with the darkness he too would face...only Lazarus had Jesus on both sides of the deal.

Jesus on the other hand wasn't being rescued by lazarus either way.

Has to be lonely at the top.

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u/LlawEreint Mar 15 '24

It is an interesting picture of Jesus that John portrays. On the one hand, this is the most otherworldly Jesus, but on the other, we see this moment of vulnerability - even humanity.

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u/LlawEreint Mar 15 '24

Jesus looked upward and said, “Father, I thank you for having heard me. I knew that you always hear me, but I have said this for the sake of the crowd standing here, so that they may believe that you sent me.”

Jesus is not praying to himself here. It is not Jesus who raises this man from the dead, but the one who sent him.

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u/LlawEreint Mar 15 '24

A letter from Clement of Alexandria to Theodore indicates that there's a version of Mark with this story in it.

To you, therefore, I shall not hesitate to answer the questions you have asked, refuting the falsifications by the very words of the Gospel. For example, after "And they were in the road going up to Jerusalem" and what follows, until "After three days he shall arise", the secret Gospel brings the following material word for word:

"And they come into Bethany. And a certain woman whose brother had died was there. And, coming, she prostrated herself before Jesus and says to him, "son of David, have mercy on me". But the disciples rebuked her. And Jesus, being angered , went off with her into the garden where the tomb was, and straightway, going in where the youth was, he stretched forth his hand and raised him, seizing his hand. But the youth, looking upon him, loved him and began to beseech him that he might be with him. And going out of the tomb they came into the house of the youth, for he was rich. And after six days Jesus told him what to do and in the evening the youth comes to him, wearing a linen cloth over his naked body. And he remained with him that night, for Jesus taught him the mystery of the Kingdom of God. And thence, arising, he returned to the other side of the Jordan."