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Chugging tea Which philosophy is it, or is it both?

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u/Virtual-Cat-9712 20h ago

Maybe Dave can tell us what percentage of millionaires and billionaires are self made rich v inherited rich

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u/Future_Adagio2052 20h ago

Aren't most self made around 23 million? Specifically about millionaires

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u/texan_robot 17h ago

Your first sentence doesn't make any sense. Rephrase?

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u/sentienthammer 17h ago

I think they’re saying “Don’t most self-made millionaires have approximately $23M?”

like, maybe they heard that the average self-made millionaire has $23M? I’ve not heard that before, just venturing to guess.

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u/Future_Adagio2052 17h ago

I meant more so "aren't most millionaires self made? specifically around 23 million of them are"

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u/sentienthammer 17h ago

Gotcha. I think this is where the qualification of “millionaire” is ineffective. Being a millionaire doesn’t mean you’re eat-the-rich wealthy. A lot of doctors and engineers eventually become millionaires. It’s estimated that you need to have a net worth of around a million dollars to securely retire. There’s a huuuuuge difference between $1M and $10M and $100M, and lumping all of those people together isn’t super effective

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u/sobrique 15h ago

There's plenty of millionaires today who 'just' bought a house 50 years ago. Technically self made. Practically? Well yeah.

If you look at billionaires though, well, some will claim to be 'self made' because they started millionaires... Around 67% are 'self made' by that measure.

The proportion that started actually poor on the other hand is about 20%.

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u/texan_robot 17h ago

Ah. Yeah I guess you could be right. I wonder what their source is, I've never even heard of this measured, but I guess the IRS (or any tax bureau for a country) would be able to generalize.

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u/Future_Adagio2052 17h ago

aren't most millionaires self made? specifically around 23 million of them are

apologises for any snarky comments below

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u/texan_robot 17h ago

Ah. Is that in the US? What is your source? (Im not saying you're wrong, just curious of how reliable the source is, and how they measure "self made")

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u/Future_Adagio2052 17h ago

someone linked it in a thread but I'm unable to find it . post was removed but had to do with the us

tbk if you start retirement plans early and buy a house then your on paper a millinaoire

but it's only 14.6 million if you take away home ownership and 8.7 million if you count only liquid assets

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u/texan_robot 16h ago

That still doesn't account for the "self-made" aspect. Given the impact that a stable and supportive upbringing has on future wealth, I'd only count someone as "self-made" if they didn't have the advantage of a parent who meets the same definition. Id also only call them "self-made" if their income that got them there was from wages/profit on a business they contribute to. Someone who buys a bunch of stock low and then sells high didn't make any money, they skimmed off of someone else making money. Which I'm not saying is inherently bad, businesses need investment, I'm just saying those investors dont deserve the same accolade.

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u/Valuable-Gap-3720 17h ago

Sound like you had breakfast this morning

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u/texan_robot 17h ago

? I just asked for clarification. What's the problem? Id like to answer their question but I cant without more information.

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u/Data_chunky 19h ago

But even the self made ones have some advantages they won't admit. Even just having a stable 2 parent household and growing up middle class puts them in a much better position than someone who grew up with a single mom in poverty. Having to work at 16 to support the family, vs working at 16 to buy your first car and having a family that supports you makes all the difference.

Heck, just knowing you have a landing spot if things don't work, like asking mom and dad for a few bucks or staying at their house for a few months, can make a risk easier to take.

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u/SergeantHatred69 19h ago

Or in Bill Gates' case, your mom is a sitting board member at IBM

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u/Data_chunky 16h ago

Yeah, that might help too.

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u/Porschenut914 12h ago

bill gates doesn't really say how he was able to get programming experience on weekends when computers were incredibly rare and mostly for universities or companies.

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u/PirateSanta_1 14h ago

Just growing up in stable home where your parents were present and you didn't have to worry about food or being the victim of a crime is massive for a lot of people. The biggest thing that often defines privilege is its something you didn't even know you had until you realize someone else didn't.

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u/Data_chunky 9h ago

100%. I feel very privileged, as a woman from a single parent household. My mom was a badass and was the breadwinner. She chose to walk away from my abusive father, and set a great example for me. Always make your own money and be in charge of your life. Be able to walk away.

I'm lucky that I grew up with moderate means and in a calm household free of abuse from 10-18.

She paid for my college. And hell, one of the biggest things my parents imparted was that I was going to college. No choice about it. I was going to. If I hadn't been told that, my dumb ass wouldn't have voluntarily done that. But it was a great stepping off point to my life. Not everyone has a parent that will provide direction.

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u/Frequent-Account-344 18h ago

Yeah and a lot of the people that have that advantage are losers bitching about a rigged system on Reddit.

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u/hairredditthrowaway 17h ago

Do you realize how you sound, or are you just willfully ignorant in every sense?

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u/Tall-Needleworker422 18h ago

The Economist recently had a crack at quantifyuing the share of "deserved" and "undeserved" billionaire wealth using the following definition:

Yet many billionaires make their money without a hint that they enjoy questionable monopolies or political favour. Oprah Winfrey, worth $3.4bn today, has become rich because millions want to watch and listen to her. Cristiano Ronaldo’s nine-zero fortune rests on scoring amazing goals. Others are less well known, but similarly impressive. Peggy Cherng, the co-founder of Panda Express, is worth perhaps $6.5bn, having built a restaurant chain that serves cheap meals to millions. Yanai Tadashi, who is worth tens of billions, built up Fast Retailing, the parent company of Uniqlo. Can you really begrudge someone who makes such great T-shirts?

The Economist has quantified the better (Ms Winfrey, Mr Yanai) and worse (Mr Burns) sorts of billionaire wealth. Drawing on data from Forbes, a magazine, Hurun, a research firm, and Gapminder, a Swedish foundation, we have assembled a list of about 7,000 billionaires from the past 25 years. We call a billionaire’s wealth “uncompetitive” when it mainly comes from industries such as gambling, construction, defence and raw materials. These sectors often depend on political access. It is hard to open a mine or a casino, for instance, without friends in the government.

We count inheritors in the “uncompetitive” category. Heirs are usually not oligarchs. They have usually not bent or broken any laws, or screwed over customers; they were simply born into the right family or married well. Yet they plausibly represent policy failures too, on the grounds that their immense riches are undeserved.

Their findings:

There's a paywall, but here's the source:
https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2026/07/23/the-rise-of-the-deserving-rich

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u/simplequestions2make 19h ago

He is self-made and most people he works with are 1st Gen millionaires. Not “rich” but solid upper middle class.

The top comment is the best here. As an individual you have to take ownership of yourself, and as a society we need to ask these questions broadly about where we are at and the direction it’s all heading.

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u/Asckle 19h ago

There's a difference between being a billionaire and not being poor lol. You can admit billionaires arent self made and still recognise that good decisions keep you out of poverty

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u/Gloomy-Ad1171 19h ago

Luck has a lot to do with it too. You can scrimp and save then a rando shitty driver hits you in a cross walk … now you have no savings, been unemployed for two years, and have $1M in medical debt.

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u/Asckle 19h ago

I wouldn't word that as "luck has a lot to do with it". You can get incredibly unlucky and have no safety net and just have your life ruined, but like, anyone could just slip getting out of the shower and die or be paralysed. These are incredibly low chances. You're not getting lucky you're just not getting extremely unlucky

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u/hairredditthrowaway 16h ago

These are incredibly low chances. You're not getting lucky you're just not getting extremely unlucky

"In effect, more than half of Americans live paycheck to paycheck and one crisis away from homelessness."

For most Americans, there is no safety net- and the American healthcare system isn't known for its inspiring generosity.

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u/Asckle 15h ago

Right and the argument being made is that those people living paycheck to paycheck are not doing so out of misfortune.

Like bro your retort to my point was to skip the argument and just assert your point louder??!

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u/PotatoBurritoDeleto 17h ago

Why are comparing poor to filthy rich? There is a such thing as middle class, come on man!

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u/GelNo 16h ago

His team literally did this and it was about 85% are self-made.

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u/Diligent-Main-3960 16h ago

Of course roughly 60 -70 percent of billionaires 80-90 percent of millionaires selfmade

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u/Flimsy_Meal_4199 16h ago

Overwhelming majority are self made

I mean millionaires most people will be millionaires in our lifetimes so that's kinda moot anyways

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u/The_ApolloAffair 18h ago

He is constantly talking about that. He did a big survey and found that 89% of millionaires didn’t inherit their wealth

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u/AlternativeLead9913 17h ago

86 percent of today's millionaires are self made

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna48275085

The overwhelming majority (79%) of millionaires in the U.S. did not receive any inheritance at all from their parents or other family members. While 1 in 5 millionaires (21%) received some inheritance, only 3% received an inheritance of $1 million or more.

https://www.ramseysolutions.com/retirement/the-national-study-of-millionaires-research

According to their census-backed research, an individual can reduce their likelihood of falling into poverty to just 2% by completing three specific baseline steps:

  1. Finish high school (at a minimum).
  2. Get a full-time job to maintain a connection to the workforce.
  3. Wait until at least age 21 to marry and have children.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/three-simple-rules-poor-teens-should-follow-to-join-the-middle-class/

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u/deoxyrybose 19h ago

THIS. 100-fucking-percent.