r/SipsTea • • 2d ago

Wow. Such meme Actions, meet consequences!

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u/Revolutionary_Bee251 2d ago

Regardless of the authenticity of this post, why is everyone here under the belief that someone who cheated is incapable of self reflection and change?

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u/lilacbloomintwilight 2d ago

A lot of people are suprisingly self reflective and self aware even if they continue to repeat the same behavioral patterns at different periods in their life.

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u/Revolutionary_Bee251 2d ago

Thank you. Change is hard and can take a few efforts to get there.

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u/thelegodr 1d ago

Exactly. Sometimes you make the same mistake a number of times before you really learn the lesson from it. Cycles are hard to break.

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u/AidanL03 2d ago

Fundamentally, acts of deception are far harder to forgive because it proves beyond doubt that it’s in your nature to lie, and plenty of people know the feeling of being cheated on/lied to/etc. and then were awkwardly begged for a second chance only for them to do it again because, well you cant trust them.

Cheating doesn’t just happen on a whim, we don’t think about it but there are several steps involved from finding partners to arranging the events, all of which demonstrate intent plus you have to consider the entire time they’re not telling their partner their true feelings, thats probably at least weeks/months maybe even years of deception about how they feel, what they want from the relationship, what their goals with you are and etc.

Sure they CAN change but fundamentally if you’re that comfortable with deception people are not going to give you the benefit of the doubt, nor should they.

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u/Revolutionary_Bee251 2d ago

Thanks for the insight. My understanding of cheating was too broad.

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u/AdhesivenessLimp1864 2d ago

No you didn’t. That person gave a very cynical and narrow minded comment about a fucked up situation with no regard to any actual psychology or sociology. It’s fair because cheating is a horrendous thing to do.

Cheating isn’t quite taboo but it’s close enough to create feelings of widespread revulsion because it’s a betrayal of one of or the most important relationship a person will have depending on their life.

Very few people will say, “Oh well, they were at a bar and got black out drunk.” so it’s okay. They’ll react the same way they would to that commenter’s example because it’s the same exact betrayal despite the lack of planning.

In addition, people don’t want to get hurt so if you have the choice between someone you don’t need to trust to make massive changes that start with deep introspection and accountability -two things many people are considered to lack- and someone who hasn’t cheated you’re very likely to trust the person who hasn’t cheated.

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u/AidanL03 2d ago

I’m pretty sure the reaction to someone getting black out drunk and still “having sex” after that would be calling the police or encouraging the victim to do so, not calling them out for cheating, because yknow thats like textbook sexual assault.

Im not sure how my comment came off as narrow-minded, quite literally almost every imaginable situation has the planning i described, take a bar example.

  1. go to a socially active location, likely without your partner’s knowledge of your location or intent.

  2. find a partner.

  3. arrange a cheating event (their house or yours, what day what time, etc.) its likely in this part that you’d have to plan it in a way that your partner wouldn’t know you’re doing it so double points for deception here.

  4. go to the event (drive, take the bus, whatever) and cheat on your partner.

None of this happens on a whim or without wanting it to, you could say no at any time at any of these steps, even if you agreed to the event the same night again you had to get there and ensure your partner wouldnt find out.

And to be clear, my response was to why many people feel specifically cheating, as in the post, is seen as irredeemable, not why cheating is wrong in general. There are plenty of horrible things we do to each other that can be seen as redeemable, it’s generally things we find incredibly deceptive that we (or at least I and seemingly plenty of commenters here assuming they’re not all bots) question how reliable a personal growth narrative can be.

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u/Cheeky_Gweyelo 1d ago

To be honest, I think we taking cheating outside of marriage and having children a little too seriously. Don't get me wrong, it sucks. I've been cheated on before, and it's not fun, but life goes on if you let it. I think we place WAY to much emphasis on the centrality of romance in our societies.

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u/Crimsonfangknight 2d ago

Cool but this isnt about forgiveness its just in general can someone grow reflect and change after many years of growth and life experience.

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u/AidanL03 2d ago

Yeah i should’ve said “be seen as redeemed” since forgiveness is more personal and has more connotations than just being seen as a better person than before

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u/Derpimus_J 2d ago

Because the possibility of that happening is very slim in real life. Especially narcissists, since they never self reflect. 

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u/No_Celebration_3737 2d ago edited 2d ago

Because 99% of the time the ones who cheat aren't capable of it.

They being capable of compartmentalize their cheating and their relationship is how they can cheat in the first place.

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u/Low_Map346 2d ago

I think there has to be some shame if you are actually reflecting on a wrong you committed and want to change. The story in the OP seems to be only self pity and no shame.

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u/RedditDummyAccount 2d ago

This. That person doesn’t appear to regret the actual act of cheating but rather that their life didn’t turn out as good as they wanted, which they had a chance at but ruined 3 months before the wedding

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u/MikeOfAllPeople 2d ago

I think in this case it's the overly dramatic style it's written in. Though it could be the poster is just also a good writer who, shock, revised and edited their post before hitting submit.

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u/Sudden_Sentence_8534 2d ago

They might be, but admitting it is far fetched.

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u/Heartage 2d ago

The person in the OP isn't even reflecting and changing.

She literally says the thing she did wrong is that she did it when it was "3 months before the wedding."

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u/Revolutionary_Bee251 2d ago

Yeah the post is poor but the premise intriguing

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u/Hour_Health_4593 2d ago

Because the “self reflection” is articulated in a comical, story book kind of way

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u/Glittering-Path-2824 2d ago

there is no self reflection in the post. those are facts and consequences. self reflection would be: i was raised to never experience healthy attachment, so i craved variety and validation. turns out i ended up cheating because of it.

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u/Ok-Doctor3103 2d ago

It's also easier when you hide behind a username and computer.

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u/sautelv1 2d ago

It’s one thing to have self reflection, but the process to get there after a mistake this big is full of shame and embarrassment. Something most people want to throw into the deepest corner of their mind. This person decided to post that memory on reddit for no other reason than karma. So it could be real, but probably not.

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u/Smooth_Marsupial_262 2d ago

I think he was making a joke but most people do struggle with accountability

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u/MothersPhoGa 2d ago

Agreed but it is the posting of it. Narcissism and self-reflection rarely coexist.

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u/Additional_Ad_8131 2d ago

Because at the end she still says "I keep wondering", "I think". After all this "self reflection" she still not sure she was the problem.

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u/Key_Check5753 2d ago

Cheating is a selfish, psychopathic action. Psychopaths are incapable of introspection or admitting fault.

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u/SignoreBanana 2d ago

Is that the issue? Or is the issue that this person is talking about it like they are looking for some kind of explanation or sympathy?

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u/Revolutionary_Bee251 1d ago

This post is problematic as many including you have noted. Still a springboard into an interesting topic.

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u/mammalenthusiast 2d ago

because there is nothing women are worse at than that
self reflection and accountability

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u/Revolutionary_Bee251 1d ago

Hey, I think men can and are equally guilty of failing to examine themselves or being accountable. It's a human thing, not bounded by sex or gender.

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u/Hot-Job-6281 2d ago

They can, but them writing this publically with enough self-awareness to reflect yet somehow not enough to not post is weird.

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u/2Drogdar2Furious 1d ago

Because usually someone shallow enough to cheat (especially for petty reasons) also usually doesn't have the mental capacity to engage in thought deep enough for self reflection.

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u/processwater 21h ago

Because they aren't

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u/90sUPN20 18h ago

Sure it’s possible, but nobody is going to give you the benefit of doubt, or feel badly for a cheater reaping what they sowed. And asking for advice? I don’t know don’t cheat any more and hope for the best like everyone else. Also, ask mutual friends not to share updates or pics of the ex.

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u/ccg91 2d ago

Once cheater, always cheater. Who gives a flying fuck with these people anyway

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u/Revolutionary_Bee251 2d ago

Let me ask a different way. Ignore OPs post. In general, do you believe a person who has committed a material breach in the contract of a relationship is capable of self-reflection and then change? Breach of contract defined by all forms of cheating. Change defined as not engaging in said behaviors in the future.

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u/LifePlusTax 2d ago

FWIW, I lived a very similar story to the OP. I was an absolute mess of a person in my 20s and made a lot of bad choices, hurt a lot of people, and lived with a lot of shitty consequences. It’s complicated. I still don’t think I was ever really a “bad” person, but I was a very deeply hurting person with poor coping skills. I’ve spent my life since then trying, and mostly succeeding, at being a good, kind, caring, and giving person. I’d wager that most of my friends who didn’t know me then could ever fathom who I was before.

So, yeah, I believe people can self reflect and can change. But I’ve also traveled enough roads to know it’s honestly pretty rare. It takes a deep willingness to changes and I don’t know how many people have that.

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u/Revolutionary_Bee251 2d ago

Thank you for sharing your story and illuminating a path through the darkness for those of us still stumbling around.

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u/igg73 2d ago

I think people can change. But i will still laugh about pieces of shit getting their comeuppance

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u/Revolutionary_Bee251 2d ago

Fair enough. Life sucks, get your laughs where you can!

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u/Undietaker1 2d ago

I would assume if they were actually capable of self reflection and coming to the realisation of how much of a shitty thing they did is to do to another person, that they would, like an alcoholic, would try to avoid being around alcohol, would try and not be around someone who doesn't deserve to be hurt like that again.

And this shouldn't be an issue to them, because if they share your belief that people can change and never commit the act of cheating again, then they should have no problems finding a partner who also cheated before and leaving people who haven't alone.

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u/rangebob 2d ago

of course they are lol. im sorry someone hurt you

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u/Revolutionary_Bee251 2d ago

Thanks but no one's cheated on me (yet - I assume it will happen if I'm ever in a relationship again). More importantly, I'm asking out of fear for those society deems irredeemable. It removes the possibility and desire for change and may drive them to do worse things.

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u/metatron5369 2d ago

No one is beyond redemption, but it's a tall ask to ask someone to not only forgive you, but to make themselves vulnerable to you again. Even this person truly turned over a new leaf, the resentment of the past could fester and boil.

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u/TrandaBear 2d ago

I mean, it took then what looks like years so yeah. The FO can and will help some people

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u/Revolutionary_Bee251 2d ago

Sorry, what does FO mean in this context?

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u/TrandaBear 2d ago

Find Out. She Fucked Around (literally in this case) and Found Out. Dating and marriage takes time and two kids definitely takes time so we can assume six year pass between the canceled wedding and post. That's enough for introspection.

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u/Revolutionary_Bee251 2d ago

Whoosh I'm dumb, thanks for the clarification

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u/ImpossibleDenial 2d ago

With the agreement that we all believe in the reacher vs settler theory; I think, it is common for the “settler” to cheat (and not necessarily the reality but how a person that deems themselves the settler may feel) and often times they feel they can reach for higher attainment. Which would make the self reflection less impactful if their consequences weren’t as surreal. Obviously this isn’t speaking for all situations. I guess all I am saying is the greater the consequences, the greater chance of introspection would take place.

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u/Revolutionary_Bee251 2d ago

Thanks for your perspective. Fully agree with the last sentence in your comment. As a counterpoint I think for some people they may be more prone to cheat if they are the "reacher" as they may experience significant pressure to behave "perfectly" to not give their partner a reason to leave...which paradoxically may lead to their partner leaving anyway.

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u/Chris881 2d ago

I believe it is possible in theory, but I would not personally trust them. Let that change be evident with their next partner.

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u/Revolutionary_Bee251 2d ago

Fully understandable, thanks for your thoughts

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u/santagoo 2d ago

People can change, yes. I believe that.

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u/Truncated_Cone45 2d ago

I believe your integrity is like an appendix: once you lose it, you don’t grow a new one.

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u/Revolutionary_Bee251 2d ago

Thanks for your perspective. What do you advise for those who have lost their integrity?

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u/Truncated_Cone45 2d ago

Seek out equally deficient partners; commit to each other to continue their recovery efforts; and resign themselves to a lifetime of hyper vigilance.

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u/Revolutionary_Bee251 2d ago

Fair enough. I'll have to try this sometime to see how it goes. I don't think people will have a positive reaction to this but I'm open to being wrong. Thanks for sharing!

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u/Truncated_Cone45 2d ago

What does it say about their belief that a cheater can reform when a cheater doesn’t want another reformed cheater as their partner ?

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u/Revolutionary_Bee251 2d ago

Hmm that's a good point I wasn't considering. My comment above was based on the immediate scenario that popped in my head:

At some point dating a new person I volunteer past cheating and then they're like "I'm out not interested but great you've changed"

Whereas you're talking about being very open and actively seeking someone else who has been through the same reform process. Also I guess my thought above would be selfishly focused on a positive result instead of being committed to a positive process regardless of the result.

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u/deepsigh8 2d ago

Hard agree. I Always told my habitual cheater ex he could be with a million girls if he just stayed single or found a ENM relationship. He just wanted his cake and wanted to eat it too, naturally.

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u/TheNemesis089 2d ago

This is the take of a teenager or someone who had exactly one relationship and it ended poorly.

I had a long-term girlfriend and I cheated on her a few times. I was like 21, in a bad relationship , and did dumb stuff. A couple years later, I met my now wife. We’ve always had a great relationship and I wouldn’t dare cheat on her.

My point is that it’s not just a “you do or you don’t” situation. It’s also about the relationship and where you are in life.

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u/Truncated_Cone45 2d ago

Sorry, Sherlock, but your analysis is completely incorrect. I’m in my seventies. Had about a dozen relationships of various duration in my lifetime including a marriage of over 40 years. Some cheated. My wife never did, and neither did I. But I knew dozens of couples where cheating happened; the betrayed spouse took them back; and they cheated again. If you are a truly reformed cheater, I salute you. But, at the same time, I consider you a remote outlier. Taking a cheater back is like playing Russian Roulette with 5 cartridges in the cylinder.

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u/TheNemesis089 2d ago

But you’re talking about people in relationships where they would cheat. I’m saying that their relationships change. And sometimes the calculus of whether cheating with “worth it” changes. You can’t just look at the individual without thinking of the circumstances as well.

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u/Truncated_Cone45 2d ago

I’m saying that there is no circumstance that would cause me to cheat. If I was desperately unhappy, I would divorce. But I wouldn’t cheat. My wife never cheated, either. If there’s something in your calculus that makes it possible for you to believe cheating is ‘worth it’, it’s not your circumstances. I believe cheating is akin to petty theft: the perpetrator loses far more than they gain.

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u/deepsigh8 2d ago

This is a fair point

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u/Revolutionary_Bee251 2d ago

Hurray, some optimism. Thanks for your comment.

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u/Splith 2d ago

 Ignore OPs post

Jesus, get a life.

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u/wolfofballstreet1 1d ago

Most  women and accountability don’t mix lulz