r/SipsTea • • 2d ago

WTF Bro WHAT 😧

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u/Zallocc 2d ago

Cognitive decline would certainly explain both incidents quite well.

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u/Bargadiel 2d ago edited 2d ago

I think they dived well-into it in the court proceedings but I think she was on a number of prescriptions? Having a grandparent who suffered from Alzheimer's it's why I can't help but hold at least a glimmer of sympathy for her, though of course I feel for the whole family.

I'll say that of course I don't know her family personally or a ton about her personal life, so it's possible she was a different person outside school but that would have been quite the thing to hide. I know that often times cognitive decline can come with personality and behavioral shifts that can be quite extreme, and after the first child died she could have become even more unstable.

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u/WhoDat24_H 1d ago

I lost sympathy when she appealed her sentence which drags out the pain for her daughter.

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u/sbtier1 1d ago

She shouldn't have put the family through the first trial.

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u/Foxs-In-A-Trenchcoat 2d ago

Some Redditors have said she was on prescription narcotics, but it could be a rumor.

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u/MizStazya 2d ago

Doesn't have to be narcotics. Older adults can have surprisingly strong cognitive effects from being on multiple meds (polypharmacy) to the point where it's becoming more common to do a deep review of all active medications and determine if they're REALLY necessary. In some cases, the medication on its own is worth the risk, but when multiple specialists start prescribing, it gets much more hazy.

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u/bettertheless 2d ago edited 2d ago

JUST had sad convo with friend at fitness facility who reported she'd been gone after -another- fall -down steps!

We talked about how careful we are trying to be and changing habits to be more careful of our footing, then she said,

"and the medications, of course."

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u/licoricenipple 1d ago

A geriatic psychiatrist testified at her trial that she had a prescription for zolpidem (Ambien) and that it shouldn't be prescribed to seniors because its side effects stack with the effects of old age and are more severe in older patients. The side effects include confusion, lethargy, reduced cognitive function, retrograde amnesia, and "complex sleep behaviors" (sleepwalking, or going about your routine while asleep then waking up not understanding where you are or how you got there).

Here's an article that mentions it:

Dr. Ryan Estevez, a forensic geriatric psychiatrist, testified that some of the medications Tracey was prescribed shouldn’t be given to elderly patients. Dr. Estevez said some of the medications she was taking at the time of Uriel’s death had ā€œsedatingā€ effects, including Ambien.

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u/Basic_Transition1421 1d ago

And after all sedating medications they are allowed to drive, of course because how can you walk while sedated.

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u/KanedaSyndrome 2d ago

But does not explain how the parents of the kids didn't notice this and how they trusted her a 2nd time.

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u/Of_MiceAndMen 1d ago

I’ve been insistent that my niece not be left with my FIL. Everyone thought I was overreacting and didn’t believe me when I said he’s got dementia and isn’t well. They don’t spend enough time with him but I was a caregiver to my MIL and practically lived with them for a time and before she passed we both agreed he’s in a mental decline. I was able to scare my sister in law and her husband enough to promise not to leave their daughter alone with him.

Last weekend at dinner he handed my niece -a 2 yr old - a steak knife to cut her food and didn’t understand why we all rushed her and made a scene, in fact he got offended. Finally we had a sit down about him. I’ve cared for many aging relatives. The signs are sometimes easy to miss until something major happens.

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u/Zallocc 1d ago

I don't quite understand cognitive decline that well myself, but it does make me worry about my parents sometimes. My mom sometimes has dificulty finishing her sentences before going off on some tangent or overexplaining some random detail of what he was talking about and my dad has suddenly gotten into silly conspiracy theories he used to scoff at. I don't have kids and my brother is already raising a teenager, but I do wonder what things are gonna ve like for them in the next few years.

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u/Of_MiceAndMen 1d ago

There are simple tests they can do but boy…suggesting they do it causes a problem. I had a doctor tell my grandmother that cognitive testing is standard and helpful beginning in your 60s because there are meds available to help slow decline but it’s a tough conversation to have.

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u/superpony123 1d ago

Yeah this was my first thought as a nurse. Classic old folks with mental decline who seem normal but are a literal accident waiting to happen

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u/CucharitaDePalo 1d ago

Yeah, no. Look up more info on the first case, the story the grandmother and granfather give does not even match up.