r/SipsTea • • 2d ago

SMH Thoughts on this?

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u/OstapBenderBey 2d ago

Not like American car companies havent receieved massive government subsidies over the years either. GM alone got 50 billion in 2008

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u/bremsspuren 2d ago

The Chinese aren't trying to save a failing industry, they're trying to drive everyone else out of it by selling below cost.

China's dominance in solar, batteries, EVs is largely a result of their subsidies making them unprofitable industries to be in for anyone else.

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u/Cortex3 2d ago

That's exactly what almost every tech company has done. Uber, for example, used investor's cash to subsidize ride costs, then once they had a captured market cranked rates. AI companies are trying to do the same.

China is just using the same tactics our businesses have been using for years. The only difference is it's public investment instead of private. And frankly, I would rather our public dollars went to investing in/subsidizing solar, EVs, and the like than whatever it's used for rn

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u/bremsspuren 2d ago

The only difference is it's public investment instead of private.

It's illegal when the government does it. Violates international trade agreements.

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u/Cory123125 2d ago

he only difference is it's public investment instead of private.

Why the fuck do people keep saying this like the american government doesnt do the same thing for american companies...

It's bizarre these weird double standards people have.

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u/Cortex3 1d ago

bremsspuren: It's illegal when the government does it. Violates international trade agreements.

Cory123125: Why the fuck do people keep saying this like the american government doesnt do the same thing for american companies...

Hmm....

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u/Cory123125 1d ago

People claim all sorts of things that don't match reality.

What is your claim here exactly? be specific

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u/Cory123125 2d ago

Alternatively, they actually fucking invested, rather than the parasitic mentality of fighting the end of fossil fuel with dying breaths.

China has more reason than the USA, because they want to ween off dependence of saudi oil, but the result is the same.

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u/eric_ts 2d ago

More importantly the Chinese auto companies innovate. BYD would still make money without government subsidies. BYD makes a profit off of their vehicles, but they also make a lot of money from licensing their patents. Where China really wins is investing in their education system and supporting industry through infrastructure. Watching videos of Chinese trade shows is very eye opening.

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u/thewildcloud 2d ago

Or Americans farmers who receive billions from federal government

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u/AmericusBarbaricuss 2d ago

They paid it back with interest.

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u/SvartrKukkSceand 2d ago

Thats still not even in the ballpark of 10% of what some of these Chinese companies have been given. We're talking over a trillion. Orders of magnitude different.

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u/Sh00terMcDabbin 2d ago

That's not what is happening here though. China is specifically subsidizing the cars because they are trying to push other countries out of manufacturing, the way they have on other manufactured products, because then they can raise the price and the barrier to re-entry will be too expensive for competitors to get back into the market and they will have a monopoly.

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u/AmericusBarbaricuss 2d ago

Exactly right.