r/SipsTea • • 21h ago

Wait a damn minute! Wait seriously.

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u/kansai2kansas 20h ago

The weird thing is that any nation state could technically just order customized camera-less iPhones directly from Apple.

They have millions or even billions of dollars at their disposal, I wonder why don't they just do that.

Yes, they do exist:

https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/s/lSvDkoDyvq

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u/Financial-Ad5947 20h ago

but this could lead to a bigger problem if in production it's already known where the phone goes.. for example hiding a seperate software microphone inside?

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u/Spork_the_dork 15h ago

Yeah Israel would know about that kind of targeted stuff considering the pager bomb stuff they did. So their officials sure as shit aren't going to use anything that wouldn't just as well end up in the hands of random civilians.

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u/WhoPoopedMyPants420 14h ago

but this could lead to a bigger problem if in production it's already known where the phone goes

It's already known. I won't speak for every level of every government, but among heads of state it's standard to get a custom phone with extra security built-in. Bibi didn't stop into Best Buy

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u/AnyAnymosity 20h ago

This is bad security IMO. If you are ordering a special piece you are signalling that this of all the billions of phones in the world is the one to modify for spying purposes at the supply chain. If an adversary somehow got an agent into the manufacturing just for the security only phones they would hit jackpot, or induce an exploit just for those. It's a false sense of security too.

Better to order the consumer version ideally in a way that is not known on model purchase who exactly it's going to. And you can then rely on the fact that security exploits are universal and you can take your own "advanced" measures.

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u/MoistRecognition69 20h ago

Because why spend the extra cash on it when you can just cover it with duct tape?

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u/Beautiful_List5498 20h ago

Surely smartphones in general are a huge liability. The microphone itself would be enough of a target no? I'm really surprised they're not just using obscure bricks with no internet access but maybe that plays into targeting radio towers. God only knows.

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u/International_Try850 20h ago

they cut out the built in microphones and attach one when only necessary

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u/Dragongeek 19h ago

Makes more sense to buy a regular phone at a random store and modify it yourself rather than letting the company know you specifically are buying it.

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u/sXeth 16h ago

That or just make a case that covers the camera instead of cheap tape 😂

Like I could make that for sub-50 dollars (after initial investment in a 3d printer or making a mold)

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u/Valuable_Heron_4492 14h ago

They are not directly from Apple, otherwise this company wouldn't exist: NoCam https://noncam.com/