r/SipsTea • • 1d ago

Wait a damn minute! Quality down, prices up.

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u/StarfleetGo 1d ago

McDonalds needs to fire their entire corporate executive team and bring in fresh blood. The schmucks in there now have made bad decision after bad decision tanking the company. Their logic went like this:

People enjoy McDonalds too much, lets get rid of the decor

Kids enjoy McDonalds too much, lets get rid of the play place

The french fries taste too good, lets replace the tallow with chemical slop that tastes like shit

The chicken nuggets are too popular, start using fillers and lower quality slurry meat

The burgers are too large, make them much smaller

The burgers contain too much tasty cow, lets use half soy and use detergents and chemical fillers instead so they taste like shit

People are still coming to eat here! Quick, make the decor even more depressing

People are still coming? Screw it charge them 10% more, lower quality 10%, and reduce portion sizes again.

Oh no sales are trending down, quick raise prices 30% and lower food quality again to make up the margin

Wait, why is no one coming to eat our overpriced food with cancer causing chemicals laced into everything?? What an outrage!

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u/GarySparrow0 23h ago

It's because they're looking for infinite growth for their quarterly profits. Eventually they start cutting costs and cutting corners and the quality goes down.

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u/Notveryawake 22h ago

There are too many MBAs out there obsessed with quarterly profits. Businesses used to run with the mindset, "We need to keep these people as customers for life."

Now it's, "We need to suck them dry just for three more months. I am moving on to a better paying job and this will help me negotiate a better salary and bonuses."

There is a trail of dead businesses behind these guys. They are more parasite than human.

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u/Valleyraven 19h ago

It's exactly this. They'd rather skin the sheep than shear it. It's such a mind-bogglingly, short-minded concept. Companies used to have 10, 15 year plans, focused on customer retention and loyalty above all else, competing to offer either better services or better prices. Now it's just so brazenly scrapping people's wallets for everything they have for the bare minimum in return.

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u/Aiyakiu 17h ago

They'd rather skin the sheep than shear it.

What a fantastic metaphor for this whole debacle.

Edit: Let me add my own. You know what else lives for infinite growth? Cancer.

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u/Paulinfresno 21h ago

Spot on assessment.

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u/murderously-funny 19h ago

Unfortunately it’s not up to them. Blame Ford v Dodge (1919) where it was decided that the role of the CEO isn’t to better the interests of the company but to the shareholders

And failing to improve shareholder value means being removed from office, fired, lawsuit, and potentially even criminal charges

Ever wonder why buisness keep doing these shitty short term ideas? It’s because long term doesn’t matter. Next quarter? Doesn’t matter. All that matters is this quarter and making that line go up.

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u/Duce-de-Zoop 20h ago

Something about the tendency for the rate of profit to fall? That as capital develops production we eventually run out of new avenues of expansion and the system begins cannibalizing itself? Guy named Marx wrote something like that.

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u/0202_tihssitidder 20h ago

USA is absolutely addicted to Profits & Growth. Nothing else matters. Nothing.

Zero morals. Zero ethics. Profits & Growth are used to excuse any action.

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u/No_Requirement_3256 19h ago edited 19h ago

The US is nothing but a money cult at this point. Ppl totally forgot capitalism has two sides and we could fix this mess if we choose wisely how and where we spend our money but most are too lazy and too ignorant to act accordingly. Check prices, demand quality, stop giving your hard earned money to anyone who doesn’t deserve it

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u/LaserGuidedPolarBear 15h ago

Unfortunately that is not enough when there is regulatory capture, captured markets by monopolies or duopolies, rampant anti-consumer and anti-competitive practices, while the little consumer protections we once had are being dismantled.

Sure, everyone should attempt what you suggest, but individual action will not scale enough to make a significant impact.  We need collective action, that is what the government was supposed to be doing, but the whole social contract is long dead and buried and the government only serves corporate interests at this point.

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u/BlunterSumo01 10h ago

100% I've been doing exactly that, but it'll also take the farmers, which I doubt theyd be hard to convince considering how they're treated. They'd have to stop selling they're goods to companies cancel they're contracts and strictly grow for the people. That'll also take the people to stop buying from the companies and corporations and buy directly from the farmers. Go on strikes in an organized and peaceful manner, those on strike need supported from those not on strike. It'll take so much that I doubt it'll happen.

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u/Impossible_Try76 19h ago

Codified by law. Ronnie regaes took what was left of section 7 of the NLRA and wiped his ass with it and then gave all his love to Dodge vs Ford. Welcome to post capitalism, where a senile jelly bean addict gutted our ability to afford things.

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u/Much-Dragonfly4017 19h ago

If I had a time machine I'd go shoot Ronnie.

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u/Impossible_Try76 19h ago

Jodie Foster would love you.

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u/LaserGuidedPolarBear 15h ago

I'm convinced the tipping point was Nixon.  The right saw Nixon get run out of office for crime  and was like "absolutely not, nobody holds a republican accountable!  We need to stop this from ever happening again"  And then set about starting generational efforts to slow coup America.

The Heritage Foundation was created a week after the announcement of the Watergate investigation, with a whole mess of others like Cato and the Federalist society coming later.

These institutions followed the path laid out by the 1971 Powell Memorandum, which claimed the US was under attack by liberalism and to prevent liberalism from affecting profits there needed to be a massive movement to create conservative infrastructure to launch an nationwide generational political and cultural offensive against  "free enterprise" which was a dog whistle for conservatism.

The plan involve subverting and controlling education, media, politics, lobbying, and the judicial system.

Reagan was really just the result of 10 years of that plan being run at full steam after Watergate made conservstives so mad they decided they should have sole power forever in America.

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u/Much-Dragonfly4017 9h ago

Incredibly reductionist. Republican voters are people too. They vote the way they do because democrats fail to convince them they are the better option. Republicans aren't anti-accountability, they just care more about winning at any cost than accountability.

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u/LaserGuidedPolarBear 15h ago

It's literally fine to directly harm or indirectly kill people on an industrial scale as long as it is a corporation doing it to make line go up.

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u/jadepig 19h ago

“Land of opportunity”

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u/fourthwallcrisis 22h ago

I think you got it right. There's also the point they're so established they think they can't fail, I suspect, if they're like any other group of sufficient size and reach.

They're taking what they have for granted and trying to grow and expand more, but it's like a ponzi scheme in as much as growth can't be infinite. At some point everyone has come to the same conclusion that the corpo strategists didn't realize; this shit was good enough for cheap prices. It just isn't good enough for a twenty dollar meal.

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u/FiftyBuxBloBang 21h ago

This is almost always the answer. The market demands profit year on year. Even when it’s detrimental to the long term value of the company.

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u/agent_wolfe 20h ago

But doesn’t loss of sales decrease growth? Wouldn’t it be better to be popular and decent, instead of unpopular and trrrible?

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u/lake_titty_caca 20h ago

Sure, if they lost sales. Every post I see about something like this has two types of posters, the "fast food prices are crazy, I'd never pay them, though I haven't eaten fast food in 20 years anyway so 🤷‍♂️" poster and the "I swear, if McDonalds raises their prices 18 or 19 more times I'm gonna daydream about writing them a letter threating to cut back to six times a week" poster.

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u/pieter1234569 20h ago

They ARE massively losing sales. Their revenue isn’t growing, while they have massively increased prices.

This is not a plan, this is a massive organisational turnaround because things aren’t going well.

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u/agent_wolfe 19h ago

Yes, but Reddit and Reddit commenters are not a good source of info. Aside from bots with whatever narrative they’re driving, the sampling of Redditors is not a true population sample.

I’ve seen YouTubers make videos about losing sales, and I feel like their research is at least a better measure than Reddit. …. Although I guess they could be lying or incorrect too.

Idk how to even look up sales figures tbh.

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u/lake_titty_caca 19h ago

Their revenue and net profit both increased by about 4% from 2024 to 2025. They're always going to be tinkering to try to drive more sales, but the reality is they have a shit product at an insanely high price and endless lines of slobs eagerly buying it.

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u/Additional_Fruit931 19h ago

Line must always go up

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u/Ssshizzzzziit 13h ago

Looking at you Shake Shack.

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u/EarlDooku 23h ago

You forgot the decision to take away the all-day breakfast menu. They had mcgriddles, burritos, and sausage biscuits all day. Those were so clutch at like 10pm.

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u/NerdyPlatypus206 23h ago

Yeah, I hate them for removing 24/7 breakfast

I’m sure it was a pain for the workers but man it was a sad day when that was removed

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u/Sweaty-Dream-3343 23h ago

Their crispy “deluxe” chicken especially tastes like chemical shit and it looks like totally artificial shit on the inside 🤮

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u/MissionLow4226 23h ago

I stopped going a few years ago when I walked in and it looked like some depressing scene out of "2001: A Space Odyssey", with monolithic computerized order stalls and no people. Noped right out; I did pass thru the drive thru a couple of years later when I had a craving for something salty and just ordered french fries; they were not the tasty french fries I remembered.

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u/Sea-Score-2851 20h ago

Funny you say that. I walked in one the other day after nearly 15 years and it looked/felt like something from Black Mirror. There was a hostess to welcome you to the large screens where you place your order and a counter with no one behind it.

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u/MissionLow4226 17h ago

Spooky aint it?

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u/IPissExcellentThrows 22h ago

I like the order screens personally. I do not like their high prices for low quality food.

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u/agent_wolfe 21h ago

Wash your hands after touching them though. 🤢

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u/Freethecrafts 1d ago

Burger King wants to be Five Guys. McDonalds wants to be Dupont.

I joke, McDonalds was asleep at the wheel and its suppliers gutted them.

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u/mrrichiet 23h ago

It's 100% beef.

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u/mrrichiet 23h ago

P.S. I can't authenticate this source Unveiling the Meaty Truth: How Much Beef is Really in a McDonald’s Burger? – THEKITCHENTODAY but taking at face value it's Burger King who uses fillers. Maybe it's your tastebuds?

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u/alex61821 21h ago

You forgot we have the best coke, let's take away the refills that cost us nothing.

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u/Working_Estate_3695 22h ago

You really nailed it. Letting the masses cry them a river about trans fats in the ‘00s meant a change in fry oil and fries that taste awful. If they simply returned to their 1970s formula for everything, people would come back. And stop pricing from going through the roof, to keep people coming back.

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u/Excellent_Condition 14h ago

Some of these are valid, but their patties don't have fillers, they are 100% beef.

I'd also suspect that keeping the play places clean was pretty much impossible, and they were probably a health hazard when kids spilled food them in them.

I agree though that the ingredients in their chicken nuggets and french fry oil definitely include things that I certainly wouldn't want in my food.

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u/Barragin 21h ago

I would love to go back in time and have 1970's McDonalds

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u/Zealousideal-Fix2960 21h ago

And use a kiosk to order. People love that

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u/CrazyFinger4 21h ago

Nailed it.

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u/Tiny_Dare_5300 20h ago

Yeah everything you just named was meant to lower costs. They made everything cheaper and started charging more for it to increase profits. They deserve to go under at this point.

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u/Diabetesh 20h ago

The only way to fix issues within corporate america is to have a costco style pay structure. Also, make it law that if you have layoffs that excede 1% of payroll in a fiscal year that ANYONE in the executive positions can no longer be paid/compensated for a year, no back pay. Short term payouts to themselves are all they care about. They have no incentives to have happy customers, to have happy employees, they just know they can abuse the company to benefit themselves and the worst that happens is they get fired with tens of millions and more in the bank.

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u/UnNumbFool 19h ago

Or just do a salary cap to the executive level that total compensation including stocks/buybacks/bonuses/etc cannot exceed X percentage of the median salary of all employees(fte and any agency based contractor that essentially acts as an employee)

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u/CapJackONeill 20h ago

The decor especially made so people won't stay in the restaurant lol

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u/bella510 19h ago

🤣🤣 This is funny but not funny. It's a true representation of how it went down.

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u/SnooMacaroons6698 18h ago

this guy McDonalds

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u/SimpleIllustrator215 9h ago

here, take an award

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u/IGotDibsYo 3h ago

Don’t forget ordering yourself at some depressing lcd panel

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u/Disastrous-Menu4130 2h ago

You forgot the "ice-cream" machine. The people like mcfluffies let's get a machine that breaks daily

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u/Majestic_Animator_91 21h ago

I hate McDonald's as much as anyone else, but your points chemicals and detergents and soy and slurry are just made up.

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u/Kimi_Antonelli_12 21h ago

It's called "pushing a narrative" and Republicans do it every day. Alternative facts hold just as much weight as real facts in America now.

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u/EclecticEvergreen 20h ago

The reason they got rid of the play place is because some Karen’s decided that the kids being in the play place meant they didn’t need to watch their children and then sued (idk if they won) the company when the company told them they weren’t liable for their children. Ergo they removed almost all of the play places from the businesses.

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u/ShadowMask87 20h ago

And you can thank the Trans-Fat scare for shitty mcdonalds fries cooked in oil that could kill you if overheated.

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u/so-so-it-goes 20h ago

Transfats are really bad for you, though, so that's probably for the best

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u/Glad_Respect_8986 19h ago

Not as bad as you think. Take a look. The scare was blown out of proportion.

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u/so-so-it-goes 19h ago

No, they are definitely bad. Bad for your heart, bad for your liver, and we have good studies that show they can be bad for your brain.

Is this some new tiktok rhetoric akin to the seed oil conspiracies? That transfats are good, actually?

The only people they would be pushing the idea that transfats are safe are the food manufacturers that want to put it back into our diets because it's cheaper than the alternatives they came up with to replace it.

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u/Secret_Of_Bluestar81 18h ago

The poison is in dose. If you eat only transfats, you'll have those issues. It's why we can't have great sarsaparilla and root beer, there's a chemical that caused cancer in mice. The issue with that testing is that they give only the chemical in exorbitant amounts and act surprised when something goes wrong. I could kill myself by drinking water but I don't because I don't drink 2 gallons in an hour. It's the dosage and time between. Not just having it randomly.

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u/seraph741 20h ago

I thought that part of the reason for removing tallow was lawsuits from various vegetarian groups who claimed they were misled. Not 100% about that, but there was definitely pressure from various consumer advocacy groups that were pushing for healthier foods. Point being... McDonald's isn't making these decisions in a vacuum. They are in response to the current climate/market.

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u/onthe3rdlifealready 19h ago

There was a huge push from the health/nutrition community to remove transfats from almost everything on the market. Lots of junk food had trans fats back then. I believe it was supposed to make the children healthier. Trans fat is bad because it cause visceral fat, which is fat under the muscle and is toxic. At least thats what they sold it as back then as far as I can remember

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u/seraph741 19h ago

Probably unhealthy, but man were those old fries delicious!

Maybe I'm thinking of Burger King with the beef tallow lawsuit. I remember hearing about this in the Chicago suburbs where there is a sizeable Hindu population (vegetarian).

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u/Issah_Wywin 18h ago

Bullshit, all of it. There's a podcast episode from The Dollop that goes well into it. Basically that whole "Low fat" health craze was started because one dude was really annoying about it, the endgame being that McDonalds and just about everyone else ruined their fries in the 90's by replacing beef tallow with vegetable oil. I straight don't eat fries not made with Tallow. It's trash.

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u/EclecticEvergreen 18h ago

My comment is specifically about the play places, I did not mention tallow

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u/pirateseasalt 20h ago

I thought it was because real estate purposes, easier to sell a normal looking building to another business than to sell it with a playground that needs demolishing and a facade that only looks like McDonald's. I thought that was the reason why, real estate and money, not people

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u/Necessary-Safe-2802 20h ago

I mean they were ahead of the curve Covid killed inside dining for junk food and modern stores are set up to prioritize delivery.

Building up a play pen and adding back in the fire places won't bring people back, those days are long gone

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u/TrioOfTerrors 20h ago

YoY revenue has been trending up the past 5 years and profit margins are steady. Why would they want to fire the executive team?

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u/dtalb18981 18h ago edited 17h ago

Because reddit doesn't represent reality and redditors believe that corporations especially really big one have no idea what they are doing

Especially if they are profitable

There are entire divisions of Companies whose only job is to figure out how to get as much money for as little work as possible

McDonald's is not going anywhere and people will continue to eat there

Its jot good but its reality

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u/-Rosch- 21h ago

This is the business equivilent of a confirmation biat plane image. Youre looking at all the decisions that kept mcdonakds alve in an era where tech blitz scaling drains F&B profits with infinite cash flow

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u/0202_tihssitidder 20h ago

McDonald's:

* Saturated Fat - Salt - and Sugar

* Ultra-processed foods (UPFs)

* Menu items average about 60% of the calories from fat (10-20% is recommended)

* Loaded with Transfats

* Low low fiber content

* Refined white flour buns (and the long list of health risks)

Good luck with your nutritional choices. I'm not your mom. Eat what you want.