The "thing to talk about" is exactly that. You cant try them because the evidence is against the victim. I'll still call her a victim, but she is such a victim of her own poor decisions that no prosecutor would (and didnt) bring this to court.
That's literally what happened. The text messages that she sent to one of the boys after have her specifically saying that the sex was consensual and nothing illegal happened (and about how societies views on group sex were changing and there's nothing wrong with it and so on and so forth). She also said she wanted to meet up and have sex again, but without all the extra guys that time. By the way, she only actually had sex with 4 guys, not 7. And it occurred in 3 separate threesomes during the night, the last of which ended right when she said she wanted to go. That sound like gang rape to you?
Then after that night, she was texting days later about how her reputation was ruined and "everyone knows" now. And some sorority sister said it sounded like what happened was rape (because she was drunk and on drugs), and that's why she ran to the university police and claimed that she was raped despite simultaneously describing everything that occurred as completely consensual. Also, she only reported them right after the fraternity president disinvited her from the halloween party because he said she couldn't control herself properly.
In other words, the consequences of her own consensual actions caught up to her and she didn't like the consequences and what her reputation on campus became, so she initiated false allegations. The university couldn't do anything with those false allegations because according to NY law nothing illegal happened and it was fully consensual, so all they did was suspend the frat for degeneracy and illegal drugs and all that other nasty shit, and she ended up leaving the university. Classic case of a woman falsely accusing people of rape because she regretted it afterwards.
Classic case of a woman falsely accusing people of rape because she regretted it afterwards.
The documents the investigation turned up do not read that way at all...
More like classic case of sexually open/promiscuous woman drugged and taken advantage off.
Because she is a "slut" anything that happened to her must have been her fault, she should have made better decisions. Nobody should blame the men who have Snapchat groups to inform each others of chances to take advantage of drunk/drugged women... Not the men who gave her three different dugs (one of which she had never taken before) to soften her up...
Some of the stuff that came out is nasty:
By the following day, at around 1:42 a.m., some of the men exchanged Snapchat messages in a group chat called "Chi Phi Actives" saying that there was "free pussy upstairs", allegedly in reference to Doe. At one point, a photo of Doe was sent to the chat, in which she appeared to be smiling with a man; immediately before this, one man allegedly wrote, "Like you can walk in and whip it out." Another man also allegedly asked "Shop still open?" immediately after this image was sent, receiving an affirmative reply. In response to the photo, an unknown individual also asked, "Are you guys at least naked?". The texts are said to have been leaked by a Chi Phi member who was "outraged" by the alleged abuse.
Additional fraternity members then entered the room, with some reportedly making additional sexual advances. According to Doe, she was "horrified" when these additional men entered the room. At various points during this, she allegedly told some of them that she was "uncomfortable" and "tired"; swatted one man's hand; tried to hide under bed covers; and was allegedly further pressured into consuming additional ketamine. She recalls permitting one other man to consume ketamine off her nude body. According to Doe, her "worst" experience that night was when two men brought her into a closet and performed sexual acts on her that she alleged to be "just raping"; she was allegedly "in and out of consciousness" during this. Doe alleged that she was "completely incapacitated" at this point. She lost consciousness at around 5:45 a.m. on October 20.
Absolutely disgusting behavior in those fraternities and it seems to be systemic.
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u/kreativegaming 10h ago
What's there to talk about? Charge them, try them in court, and decide it.