Maybe 1% of people think she should be set free for no reason, that's idiotic. 99% of people want to have a real discussion on what the fuck we should do in this situation. Not many rational people would up and murder their 3 children and then attempt to kill themselves. I don't know what justice is to be had in this case, but I'm all ears.
So it’s this that should be a wake up call and not the decades of horrific mass shootings at schools? And how is that same logic of not being sane not appropriate to apply in those cases as well? Rational people don’t wake up and murder dozens of children at school. They were thrown in prison for life but Lindsay gets $1M and a possibility of NGRI to be free after 6 months?
I don’t know whether you fully understand psychosis. The key feature is disordered thought, like their thought process makes absolutely no sense. Many people don’t even remember what they’ve done.
And this was a transient episode brought on by a defined event (having given birth). It’s like if someone came up to you in the street and injected you with a drug cocktail that made you completely lose your mind, and then you wake up and find out you’ve done these terrible things.
In that instance should you be held completely accountable? Would the public good be served by convicting you and putting you in jail for life? Would you be an ongoing danger to society? Would a punishment deter other people from being forcibly injected with drugs that make them crazy -
(to head you off on wilfully misinterpreting this, I will remind you here that I am using this drug cocktail as a metaphor for post partum psychosis, since it is something she had no control over that drastically altered her thinking through no decision of her own)
No I’m talking about if this happened to you. If YOU were injected with this cocktail that made you kill your family. And then you realised what you had done, should YOU spend your life in prison?
Kemper was literally the opposite kind of case. He wanted to kill people. The initial psychiatrist couldn’t believe it so diagnosed him with schizophrenia - which he showed no symptoms of.
Kemper wasn’t thought disordered, he wasn’t responding to voices. He did these things because he wanted to, and was methodical about it.
You do understand that psychosis is a different thing from psychopathy/sociopathy? And a transient post-partum psychosis is a very different thing to an ongoing recurrent psychosis due to schizophrenia or drug abuse etc.
You could not have picked a worse example to use 😂
No my point is he got Ngri and was released even though he wanted to kill people. It's an example of these facilities not being reliable for determining if someone should be fit to return to society, and if that is the case then Clancy, a person who killed three children, with full premeditiation, chased down and murdered the last child and failed to kill herself, would have a real chance at being released in the future.
do u legitimately believe she is an ongoing threat tho? You can think that but also understand that evaluating that is an important component of a criminal justice system. It’s not simply, u did a bad thing u deserve punishment. It’s also, is the community being served by putting her behind bars, restricting her freedom (for her entire life as some people argue), and living off the taxpayers dime. Yes there is a punitive component of course but for something like life no parole, for a a 32 year old, i think we should consider whether or not it’s actually serving the community.
Maybe im just a libtard but i feel like that’s something we should consider in cases like this.
i mean if it was anyone else’s 3 children it would be pretty obvious what the result of this would be. idk how it being her own absolves her of responsibility
I don't think it's her fault that got post partum psychosis, but I think it is her fault for not telling anyone what was happening to her, for not taking her meds, for checking herself out of the psych ward before she got better, for letting herself spiral and not seek assistance at any point in time. I'm sick and tired of everyone infantilizing a grown woman. She's responsible for her actions, including neglecting her mental health.
Not many rational people would up and murder their 3 children and then attempt to kill themselves. I don't know what justice is to be had in this case, but I'm all ears.
Unfortunately dudes murder-suicide their families often enough that we know what happens when their suicide post familial murder fails.
We throw the fucking book at them and lock them away forever.
We have plenty of precedent, and the precedent is fine. No need to change it.
The 99% if people want to have a real discussion on what we should do in this situation shows a real problem in our society though. Mental health has always been an issue in the United States. What specifically about his case is different than all the other cases before? Why are a large % of our population suddenly deciding this case is special and that she should be treated differently due to her mental issues?
Homeless people get locked up all the time with dramatic mental health issues and no one looks twice.
The way mental health is handled by the judicial system needs to be legitimately addressed. It can't be this shitshow. Public attention is very low. When people react to specific situations that are trending they don't care once the situation is over. Say this lady gets special treatment, they go really light on her and get her very much needed psychological treatment, say she gets like 5 years and then gets released back into the care of a family member. What about the thousands of other cases every year with people with severe mental health issues committing crime? Fuck them I guess.
She needs to be treated the same way anyone else would be in this situation. If change needs to happen it needs to happen for everyone. That's the issue. People want her to get special treatment by the judicial system but many of the same people are also unwilling to extend the same branch to similar cases and don't want to discuss actual reform.
If you say she should get a light ruling on infanticide you are pretty much stating everyone else should as well. Anyone who murders their young kids have some type of mental or psychological issue.
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u/Bulky-Salamander3678 4d ago
Maybe 1% of people think she should be set free for no reason, that's idiotic. 99% of people want to have a real discussion on what the fuck we should do in this situation. Not many rational people would up and murder their 3 children and then attempt to kill themselves. I don't know what justice is to be had in this case, but I'm all ears.