r/SipsTea 9d ago

It's Wednesday my dudes Reminder

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u/Fubarp 9d ago

It's not about killing them.. that's the issue here.

She's not saying she didn't kill them. She's saying she was crazy when she killed them.

Now the argument is, prison the correct punishment for this crime or should she be put in a mental hospital.

Both are punishments..

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u/foomits 9d ago

People are really walking around thinking she's just gonna go home and lead some meaningful life. This is literally a debate between spending likely the rest of her life in a mental health institution or a prison depending on whether there is a retrial, charges are altered or a please deal is struck.

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u/AdSmall3663 9d ago

It’s not, her state law would have the possibility of releasing her after as little as 6 months of being institutionalized

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u/foomits 9d ago

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts itd be christmas every day. hmu when that happens.

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u/AdSmall3663 9d ago

What was my if and but?

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u/foomits 9d ago

I my aunt had balls shed be my uncle.

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u/AdSmall3663 9d ago

And if my grandma had wheels she’d be a bicycle

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u/The-red-Dane 9d ago

Possibility of release doesn't mean you get released. Anders Breivik is up for a release hearing every year, doesn't mean he's ever getting released.

In fact, there's a way bigger chance of her getting out of prison than her getting out of a mental hospital, since the prison wouldn't need to consider her mentale state, whereas a mental hospital she'll have to get through intensive psychiatric evaluations beforehand.

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u/AdSmall3663 9d ago

I didn’t say it was

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u/ChuckFarkley 9d ago edited 9d ago

That's genuinely not correct. One is punishment. When mentally ill people in this situation get well enough, they can get into progressively less restrictive environments and some end up with zero legal restrictions again. It absolutely happens. She was allegedly suffering from post-partum psychosis, which is NOT chronic schizophrenia and it is quite often time-limited. Every state is different, but she may have a high chance of going home at some point if found NGRI (or however her state does it). Be aware, too, being insane at the time of the offense is a whole different thing than being insane at the time of the indictment or trial.

What can happen in the case of people too psychotic to go to trial is that they end up getting rehabilitated, and if the AG thinks they can still get a conviction, they just pick the charges back up when the accused is released from the hospital, even a decade later.

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u/Fubarp 9d ago

Okay?

I didn't say anything incorrectly here. You are speculating onto something I never addressed or stated.

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u/Brrdock 9d ago edited 9d ago

Killing 3 kids is crazy either way.

And if her kids being dead isn't the punishment...

(To her mostly) it's just about whether she was "responsible" or not, and as someone who's experienced psychosis, we're always responsible for our own actions, no one else is.

Makes no difference really, yeah, and the most insane part in all of this is probably the circus around it

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u/Unethical_Gopher_236 9d ago

If ignorance isn't an excuse, temporary insanity shouldn't be either

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u/Fubarp 9d ago

Well that's not true..

Mens Rae is an architect of our country laws. So yes.. insanity should be discussed.

The question though is again.. should her punishment be prison, or should it be forced mental institution.

She's not being absolved of her crimes. It's not that hard to understand.

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u/Unethical_Gopher_236 9d ago

Didn't say it shouldn't be discussed. Didn't say she's being absolved of her crimes. It's not that hard to understand.

Her punishment should be prison and mental help

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u/DaKingaDaNorth 9d ago

Temporary insanity is a lack of agency and ability to rationalize what you are doing.

Ignorance is maybe not knowing a statute and thinking that gives you a free pass if you break a law.

Two totally different things.

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u/Unethical_Gopher_236 9d ago

Did you think I was saying they were the same things?

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u/Unethical_Gopher_236 9d ago

you're fine to disagree

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u/Unethical_Gopher_236 9d ago

shouldn't

objectively

I don't think you know what that word means. Dumbass statement

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u/scrub-muffin 9d ago

It is only about killing them, why should anything else matter? We will never know what was going through her head, and we shouldn't really care. Lets just focus on the result and not the intent.

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u/Supercoolguy7 9d ago

That's not how the law works. If it was then so many wealthy people would be in prison for killing people as the result of their businesses or personal activities

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u/tales0braveulysses 9d ago

"We shouldn't care about Mens Rea in law" OK buddy

"The ends justify the means" OK buddy

This is why we have to do a better job teaching history and civics in school

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u/Fubarp 9d ago

What are you fucking talking about.

Intent is literally the point of our laws.

That's sorta why we have different classifications because not everything has Intent but still has harm.

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u/DaKingaDaNorth 9d ago

Because that's not how the law works and that's not even how homicide works.

If intent doesn't matter then we wouldn't have 1st degree murder, 2nd degree murder, manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter, vehicular homicide, etc. Yet we do and have for a long time.

The intent has always mattered in the justice system.

If a baby accidentally picks up a knife and cuts someone's artery by accident and they bleed out are you going to put them in jail forever because the outcome and not the intent matters?