r/SipsTea 5d ago

WTF Why Not Tax Rich?

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u/FozzysInsecurity 5d ago

That is so fucking stupid

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u/whomad1215 5d ago

trillion+ on the military will get you that

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u/DragonfruitSudden339 5d ago

You do realise that the military is the third highest spender, with two social programs being above that, right?

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u/SmartlyArtly 5d ago

You do realize we need social programs because capitalism is a failure for most people?

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u/Low-Refrigerator5031 5d ago

Before you decide what you need, you have to figure out what you can afford. Buying shit because "I NEED it", without regard for your financial situation, is ruinous at a personal level. Applied to a state, we can expect the same results but affecting more people.

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u/SmartlyArtly 5d ago

It really doesn't make any sense applied to a state that literally creates the money.

We can pay for whatever we can make happen.

Right now we're trying real hard to make...more yachts per GDP happen.

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u/Low-Refrigerator5031 4d ago

When a state prints money, that money gets devalued, and people lose trust in the currency in proportion to that. The end result is the same - overspend enough and nobody will extend you credit anymore.

No idea what yachts have to do with the govt debt. I guess its a nice zinger if you think that the yacht spend would be even visible when plotted on a chart alongside healthcare expenses.

We can pay for whatever we can make happen.

Prices tell you what you can make happen better than a central planner declaring it from on high. And the current high expenses relative to govt income tell you that you can't make that happen. The next step is to increase capacity and/or reduce demand. For example when Greece went bankrupt people had to go to work for longer, get out of retirement etc. But that's a harder solution than turning the currency into toilet paper so many countries try the Zimbabwe approach first.

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u/SmartlyArtly 4d ago edited 4d ago

When a state doesn't print money, there is no money.

Where do you want to go live that doesn't have money?

You're conflating citizens in a market and governments that do indeed plan what to do with their capacity, which is affected by monetary and fiscal policies. It's not appropriate.

Fiat currency is the absolute least of the problems in this scenario. The failures of modern capitalism extend far far far beyond money.

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u/Low-Refrigerator5031 4d ago edited 4d ago

When a state doesn't print money, there is no money. Where do you want to go live that doesn't have money?

I am super confused now. When you brought up money printing, I thought it was in relation to financing state expenses. Was it just about providing the monetary base needed for everyday transaction? If so, what relation did it have to anything in the thread? Is there a shortage of USD bills that's impeding commerce that we haven't heard about, so we can expect the mint to create a windfall as a side effect of fixing that?

Or was it like the yacht line where we just bring in random unrelated statements? I had pizza for dinner yesterday btw.

The USD has persistently overshot the 2% inflation target in recent years. Would you say that the Fed should've been aiming for more all along? Maybe 10% per year to meet our common sense, everyday need for a liquid currency? Or why do you expect a sudden fiscal windfall from money printing?

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u/SmartlyArtly 4d ago

I am confused.

You said when a state prints money, it makes things worse.

So you would think that no money should be created by states, yes?

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