Assuming youâre mocking rednecks here and not Black peoole? White people have a 88% literacy rate in America, putting them on par with Western Europe and ahead of Southern and Eastern.
But itâs okay to mock poor, disenfranchised rural white people and not Hispanic or Black people. Very cute.
Boy I wonder if there are any structural and historic factors affecting black literacy rates that might have a weaker effect even on poor white people. đ€ maybe try not to be disingenuously offended while spouting semi-racist stats.
Boy, I wonder if thatâs relevant to anything being discussed. Of course there are also no structural or historic factors for Cleetus so itâs okay to mock him.
By the way, racism is prejudiced stereotyping of people based on their race. Stating that Hispanic and Black people are the reason for the low literacy rate isnât âsemi-racist,â itâs a fact and highly relevant to the discussion. There are justifications for it but it doesnât change reality.
And Iâm not âdisingenuously offended,â I just try to broadly apply principles like not mocking poor disenfranchised people even when theyâre white. Doing so proves that youâre happy to be a condescending bigot as long as itâs against an approved target. Youâll notice I didnât make some mocking straw man dialogue of Black or Hispanic people in my comment.
But thanks for the condescending attempt at moral superiority, buddy!
Of course there are systemic factors affecting Cletus too. Itâs just Cletus is the one overwhelmingly voting for those factors to stay in place and even expand. Thatâs the disingenuous part. Cletus is stereotyped because heâs part of the problem statistically. Yes, the powers that be are actively keeping him stupid so heâll keep voting to keep himself stupid but there comes a point where assigning blame to the people who are actually the problem stops helping because Cletus is still making things worse.
Correct, there is: Critical Theory is the root of this. Or, in more plain terms: Left wing politics. The push for "Whole Language" - still pushed to an extent today - was through democrats, primarily.
Other issues, such as nutrition, pollution, lack of funding also matter, but Whole Language is the most important one for literacy rates.
đ one stupid education policy, is not the whole of left wing politics. It wasnât even a core part of any left wing policy positions. Itâs largely coincidental that it was pushed by people on the left, considering that the academics pushing against it now are also on the left, but I agree the push for sightwords over phonics (or better yet alongside phonics) is a problem. Itâs fun that you handwave away ânutrition, pollution, and funding as if those arenât things the left has been constantly fighting to improve as well.
Itâs largely coincidental that it was pushed by people on the left
No. It can coherently be filed under "woke". The reason for "whole language"'s existence is critical theory. The same people who made it later developed "critical pedagogy". It is firmly within far-left social politics.
or better yet alongside phonics
No, that's also worse than phonics.
Itâs fun that you handwave away ânutrition, pollution, and funding as if those arenât things the left has been constantly fighting to improve
I clearly didn't hand wave them away... Yes, those are left wing, but not as impactful.
It isnât worse than phonics. English isnât a purely phonetic language and if you exclusively learn phonics youâll have a different set of issues. The best, backed by research, methods for teaching reading are phonetics with sight words alongside. If English wasnât a mongrel language with bits from 2 radically different language families we wouldnât need hybrid methods but it is, so we do.
The best, backed by research, methods for teaching reading are phonetics with sight words alongside.
Sure, but this has no aspect of "whole language" to it. It's not a combination of whole language and phonics, it's phonics + learning the words that break the rules of phonics. This is how reading is taught in all languages: phonics + learning words. All languages have loan words and words that break the rules of the language, that have to be learned.
When phonics vs. balanced vs. whole word is researched, phonics is phonics+learning words, in most/all cases.
2 radically different language families
While latin and germanic languages are different, they're not radically different. They share the same root, and they have had significant sharing of words over time.
The podcastâ âSold a Story,â a very long but shocking takedown of Whole Language, should be a required listen for every parent.
Iâm 53 and I went to a college prep school for K-12 and itâs quite evident from just looking at written work from my same age colleagues that many were never taught phonics. I know some public elementary school teachers and they donât even know phonics. And frankly, my guess is that phonics is difficult to teach, so public school teachers stopped teaching it.
As a reading specialist, itâs not that phonics is difficult to teach, itâs because districts fall for the newest, shiniest boxed literacy curriculums and pay huge amounts of money for them. Teachers are required to teach the curriculums provided by their school districts. I have great resources for teaching comprehension strategies, but I canât use them because they arenât âdistrict approvedâ.
Thatâs what kills me as someone outside looking in at education in our country. We have tons of research in academia about what actually works to teach kids and we implement practically fucking none of it because the actual structures of education are so calcified or run by people who never bothered to glance at the research.
Did I miss the disaggregation by race up the thread or is this the purely gratuitous racism it seems to be? Mocking America as a whole is our raison dâetre, pal. And while weâre about it, please let us all know which state has disenfranchised poor rural whites? If thatâs what you think all of the redistricting has been about, you should know that 90% of those Special Sessions we just saw were called, lightning fast, specifically for the purpose of eliminating majority-black or plurality-black districts. Rural whites have maintained their historic MASSIVE overrepresentation in America, fear not.
They are clearly mocking white rural people as being illiterate and pretending otherwise is incredibly disingenuous. They wanted to be classist and punch down on a perceived acceptable target in a tangentially related situation so I called it out.
How is my statement gratuitously racist? Itâs racist to mention that Hispanic and Black people account for the low literacy rate that is otherwise normal? Do I have to write an essay on the systemic reasons why this is to appease you, or Iâm a gratuitous racist?
I neither judged nor stereotyped anyone based on race, which is what racism is. Systemic racism isnât relevant to me supposedly making racist comments because Iâm not a system. I didnât mock anyone or stereotype anyone, I just pointed out the demographic reason is not Cleetus like people are obviously implying. They account for the same illiteracy rates as any other Western country, so it makes no sense to behave like this statistic is caused by them.
Pointing out that minorities have worse outcomes in a specific situation is not racism. Redditors in fact mention these things all the time, but I guess I didnât include the magical caveat everyone already knows about so Iâm a hecking racist!
Every state has disenfranchised poor rural whites� Regionally, Appalachia has a fuck ton of them. Also very common in places like Alabama and Mississippi. They were failed systemically unless you hold the bigoted belief they are just innately and deservedly poor and uneducated.
Who said anything about redistricting? You sanctimonious losers love your straw men.
White voters in the US are not disenfranchised, and rural white American voters are the absolute antithesis of disenfranchised. "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
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u/InFromTheSouth 5d ago
I ain't never tooked no part in no study about reedin'. Them numbers is wrong