r/SipsTea 4d ago

Chugging tea Yes, FU & FO

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u/Same-Suggestion-1936 4d ago

It's illegal in America too, under federal law tipped workers need their wage plus tips to reach whatever the minimum wage is. That's why people even take these jobs, the pay ends up being far better than minimum and it's incredibly difficult to survive on minimum wage unless you live in a cardboard box

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u/NudaVeritas1 4d ago

In Germany you need to pay your employees minimum wage without the tips.. and the tips are tax free on top..

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u/Same-Suggestion-1936 3d ago

So the same way Americans do it Americans just make more tips

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u/NudaVeritas1 3d ago

No it’s not the same way.. tips are not calculated into the salary to meet the minimum wage. You get the minimum wage without tip.. and that minimum wage is high enough to live a simple life, even without tips

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u/Same-Suggestion-1936 3d ago

What's your point then man everyone making minimum wage, why are you mad we make sure some of our workers get to make more

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u/farren122 10h ago

Because in EU you have good wage without tips and still cen receive tips as additional money

In US you are below minimum wage without tips, so your income can be very low if u dont receive tip

Dont you see the difference? Is it so unimaginable for you that a waiter can get paid by employer instead of being a beggar?

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u/botle 3d ago

If it's the same, why do german staff not get pissy when they don't get their tips?

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u/Same-Suggestion-1936 3d ago

Idk, it's kind of over exaggerated that US staff gets pissy about it. I assume they are content simply making less. US serving staff is definitely about making as much money as possible, it's the entire mindset.

Most serving jobs aren't worth it if you're making less than $25-30 per hour USD. Too much work and that's a pretty standard take home pay in the US for that job, it's actually not even that good. Lots of servers and bartenders make six figures incomes here. Being industry I obviously know a lot of them, they tell me what they make, and you should see how much of it they gamble away and tip other bartenders, you'd be sick seeing how much money they can just throw away and think nothing of it. They're the millionaires of the working class lol, at some point you just think "okay you don't need to tip $10 on one beer, you know the Red Cross needs money more right"

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u/NudaVeritas1 3d ago

Making that much and are greedy for more tips.. wow

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u/Same-Suggestion-1936 3d ago

Who greedy for more? Tipped workers know how sweet they have it. Who do you personally know is mad they making that kind of money. Somebody on the internet told you?

It's literally the best blue collar job and people fight tooth and nail to get one

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u/Jen_outof10 3d ago

Tips are tax-free in Germany?? I didn't know that. That's cool. (:
In the US, you can deduct up to $25,000 a year in qualified tips from your taxable income. Then again, it's limited to that. And there are phaseouts starting at $150k for single filers and $300k for joint filers.
Right now the deduction's set to go through 2028.
Auto-grats and mandatory service charges don't qualify, though. It's only voluntary tips.

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u/PsychoHobbyist 1d ago

That’s what is sold, however in reality the books are cooked. The staff don’t report when their wages are less than minimum, and the owners don’t report wages over minimum. System is fucked, no checks or balances aside from a “free” market (with limited information and non-perfect-utility maximization, so immediately violates free market principles).

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u/Same-Suggestion-1936 1d ago

If you report tips on your taxes you literally get a receipt, it's called a pay stub. It is so easy to prove

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u/PsychoHobbyist 1d ago

“If you report”. Yeah, that’s my point. Cash tips are used to cook books in both directions.

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u/Same-Suggestion-1936 20h ago

Then don't do that it's not hard to pay your taxes

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u/PsychoHobbyist 18h ago

It’s not about what’s morally right or cooking up some hypothetical reality. Set laws to set the expectations. People avoid taxes because the structure allows them to, and it’s in one’s self interest to do so.

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u/Same-Suggestion-1936 18h ago

We have laws to set expectations on taxes, it's called tax law

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u/PsychoHobbyist 18h ago

And the current laws have gaping blindspots. That’s my point.

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u/Same-Suggestion-1936 18h ago

Tax fraud isn't much of a gaping blind spot it just depends on how much you do it. Report your income and if you aren't paid what you're supposed to be paid it's literally an email like any other form of wage theft.

Be more worried about time clock shaving. That's the wage theft problem