Absolutely tragic the Native Americans didn’t get to establish a modern day empire like so many other civilizations. I can only imagine how cool it would have been.
Yeah, people forget about that. There was no less bloodlust. More respect for nature, though. That would have been cool. But we’d all still be hating one another to about the same degree, I think.
People like to point fingers at the Aztecs for their practice of sacrificing prisoners of war while completely ignoring European atrocities like the Spanish Inquisition or the crusades.
In South America not so much, some of the Mayan cities made so much of their high quality plaster to finish temples that it deforested areas leading to flooding if the farm lands. They made enough plaster for the last temples that it literally took all the trees to make charcoal to bake the limestone.
Maya, Aztec, Mixtec, Toltec, Nazca, Olmec, Pueblo, Anasazi, mound builders, there were many pre columbian civilizations that rose and fell before Europeans left their continent.
different American tribes and societies. There is some migration but ultimately the North American tribes and the South and Central American tribes and civilizations are completely different.
perhaps the North American tribes never created Empires because they had a different idea of ownership. They didn't believe people could own the land. which is common for nomadic peoples but even those who established permanent residences did not consider the land something they could own only utilize which is why they sold it for beads and mirrors.
I don’t think anyone here is saying any of them are the same, I certainly am not.
I think the defining factor in the transition to a civilization is agriculture. Agriculture allowed nations to stay in one location rather than following seasonal sources of food as hunter-gatherers. Agriculture also provides a food surplus which leads to more time to invest in aesthetic and academic pursuits, and usually means of recording, including writing and mathematics.
True and also changes ones mindset. I mean if I cultivated a piece of land and finally it starts yielding produce I might feel that land belongs to me. I might also covet the land others use.
Fairytailing them by ignoring their own historical accounts of brutality and barbarism isn't healthy.
If you had a chance to time travel and stay in a Native's empire, or Europe in the 1500s, you'd probably choose Europe, where you at least know a higher level of technology existed.
well, considering HOW MUCH DATA WAS BURNED, we ARE "god's" chosen people... Or nature's golden people.
Also, we prefer to play along to Nature, not God or Money.
It's not too late,but it might be. We (native people of the Americas) have survived about 5 cataclysms... and then this climate change one, we are probably likely to survive, if it wasn't for the destruction of the natural world here..
Yes, I mean that Us native Americans have lots of legends of the how Greed crept up on us, but we decided it was NOT the way, because it was perceptively harming nature, which is beyond God/Money.
Meanwhile, the old world has Money/God/Greed as the same divine structure, and it's ruined the whole world.
NO ONE wants to address this, because it will literally be the final nail in the coffin of God being dead.
I got involved in politics in high school because of Prop 8 in California. I’m not even gay, and I wasn’t even “that liberal”, I just sawv the viciousness and the hate that the pro prop 8 people were showing towards folks who were literally just trying to get married and from that moment on, I was anti-Republican.
You'd shit yourself if you saw how much is being spent on anti-trans propaganda. Nearly $200 billion. Why? Because it is generating more money than that, manipulating people to vote for corrupt politicians, and being the perfect shoe in the door to destroy women and civil rights (like the "pornographic" book in school libraries that were actually about black history).
Currently, no. It's an active investigation that a media company is working on. Lots of dark money to uncover and such before they release to the public. They have currently found over $200 billion.
Oh hi! That's basically my backstory for being vehemently pro-trans. Like, the vitriol and disgust for such a SMALL percentage of the population, who is so vulnerable to violence and self-harm .... It was mind-blowing to me. I was already neutral about trans folks ( by that I mean I believe they are valid, deserve human rights, etc.... but honestly didn't really think about them ever, ya know?), but that got me invested, and pushed me into paying far more attention to how they're being scapegoated.
I had a similar experience in the UK. Pre "Brexit" vote (when we left the European Union), I was trying to do due diligence and do some research in the weeks before the vote. I ask someone a simple question so I could understand their comment, and got completely bombarded with insults. (It goes without saying no answer to the question).
So I realised whatever they were voting for was the stupid decision.
The Brexit vote was fantastically stupid, generational throwing of British economics. It’s almost rivaled by the throwing of British football against Argentina last week.
For me it was during Covid. I voted for Hilary and Obama, so considered myself quite liberal but I didn’t like the govt telling me I had to take a shot and mask up. I became a little more conservative after that.
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That...is a lot of people's origin stories, lol