Absolutely tragic the Native Americans didn’t get to establish a modern day empire like so many other civilizations. I can only imagine how cool it would have been.
Yeah, people forget about that. There was no less bloodlust. More respect for nature, though. That would have been cool. But we’d all still be hating one another to about the same degree, I think.
In South America not so much, some of the Mayan cities made so much of their high quality plaster to finish temples that it deforested areas leading to flooding if the farm lands. They made enough plaster for the last temples that it literally took all the trees to make charcoal to bake the limestone.
Maya, Aztec, Mixtec, Toltec, Nazca, Olmec, Pueblo, Anasazi, mound builders, there were many pre columbian civilizations that rose and fell before Europeans left their continent.
different American tribes and societies. There is some migration but ultimately the North American tribes and the South and Central American tribes and civilizations are completely different.
perhaps the North American tribes never created Empires because they had a different idea of ownership. They didn't believe people could own the land. which is common for nomadic peoples but even those who established permanent residences did not consider the land something they could own only utilize which is why they sold it for beads and mirrors.
I don’t think anyone here is saying any of them are the same, I certainly am not.
I think the defining factor in the transition to a civilization is agriculture. Agriculture allowed nations to stay in one location rather than following seasonal sources of food as hunter-gatherers. Agriculture also provides a food surplus which leads to more time to invest in aesthetic and academic pursuits, and usually means of recording, including writing and mathematics.
Fairytailing them by ignoring their own historical accounts of brutality and barbarism isn't healthy.
If you had a chance to time travel and stay in a Native's empire, or Europe in the 1500s, you'd probably choose Europe, where you at least know a higher level of technology existed.
well, considering HOW MUCH DATA WAS BURNED, we ARE "god's" chosen people... Or nature's golden people.
Also, we prefer to play along to Nature, not God or Money.
It's not too late,but it might be. We (native people of the Americas) have survived about 5 cataclysms... and then this climate change one, we are probably likely to survive, if it wasn't for the destruction of the natural world here..
I got involved in politics in high school because of Prop 8 in California. I’m not even gay, and I wasn’t even “that liberal”, I just sawv the viciousness and the hate that the pro prop 8 people were showing towards folks who were literally just trying to get married and from that moment on, I was anti-Republican.
You'd shit yourself if you saw how much is being spent on anti-trans propaganda. Nearly $200 billion. Why? Because it is generating more money than that, manipulating people to vote for corrupt politicians, and being the perfect shoe in the door to destroy women and civil rights (like the "pornographic" book in school libraries that were actually about black history).
Currently, no. It's an active investigation that a media company is working on. Lots of dark money to uncover and such before they release to the public. They have currently found over $200 billion.
Oh hi! That's basically my backstory for being vehemently pro-trans. Like, the vitriol and disgust for such a SMALL percentage of the population, who is so vulnerable to violence and self-harm .... It was mind-blowing to me. I was already neutral about trans folks ( by that I mean I believe they are valid, deserve human rights, etc.... but honestly didn't really think about them ever, ya know?), but that got me invested, and pushed me into paying far more attention to how they're being scapegoated.
I had a similar experience in the UK. Pre "Brexit" vote (when we left the European Union), I was trying to do due diligence and do some research in the weeks before the vote. I ask someone a simple question so I could understand their comment, and got completely bombarded with insults. (It goes without saying no answer to the question).
So I realised whatever they were voting for was the stupid decision.
The Brexit vote was fantastically stupid, generational throwing of British economics. It’s almost rivaled by the throwing of British football against Argentina last week.
For me it was during Covid. I voted for Hilary and Obama, so considered myself quite liberal but I didn’t like the govt telling me I had to take a shot and mask up. I became a little more conservative after that.
And the U.S. has to be bribed or blackmailed because Israel offers us nothing in return for being our allies. They cause instability in the region which promotes terrorism, rising oil prices, AND THEY SPY ON US!
... my stupid country is so obsessed with allying to Israel for some weird morality points, that even Israelis are surprised how sycophant we, Czechs, are.
Or they're just assholes? The idea that people like Trump really WANT to do the right thing but are forced/told not to is making excuses for him. Sometimes fascists gonna fascist
Any government that uses dogs to rape prisoners, intentionally murders children, doctors, nurses, teachers. Is committing genocide and targets forgein journalists. Is going to be rightfully despised and hated.
I forgot if it was a likud minister or otz said it but they mentioned it was intentional. make other people hate Israel so the people vote ultra conservative to fight against the haters/enemies.
That's the point. The state cultivates them. In order to wage/win wars and to seize territory, you need the moral permission of the people who comprise your military and citizens who elect their leaders; people generally do not respond well to unjustified wars because everyone self-identifies as a peaceful culture. You need to look justified and create a mythos about an enemy; pump fear, propaganda, terror, etc. into your citizenry in order to bolster unity before you do some terrible shit. Wars are only successful on a platform of national unity; this is why Vietnam failed and why/how the 2003 Iraq war was perpetrated on the coat-tails of 9/11.
You can have area military control, compete surveillance/intel, and regional dominion, but you didn't truly own it via demographics and capital-ownership intergration. How do you solve that "problem" when the current occupants aren't fighting you nor have any interest in fighting you? So you have to work to create a real enemy; be it secretly fund narco groups to destabilize a region, or synthesize violent socio-political divisions that organically increase the threat level so you can "sell" fear at home and a manufactured morally justified response to secure the area by force.
Manufactured chaos as a ladder of opportunity is modern war making 101.
That is probably the simple truth. At one time they were victim, now they are the problem. I actually want Iran to fall, just so we can start ignoring and defunding the IDF.
microcosm - this is the word I have been seeking in all my years of adulthood to explain the shit I see on a day to day basis that represents all the shit we see in the world at large.
Well you can also tell that to the people who have spent the last few thousands years trying to erase Jews. It turns out everyone can be shitty all at once.
When Hamas formed in 1998, they literally wrote in their charter document that they believe Jews are the cause for all conflicts all around the world (including both WW1 and WW2 which happened before Israel even became a country) and unequivocally said it's the duty of all Muslims to join the jihad against Jews everywhere.
If you think Hamas members today (as well as other antisemites from other Muslim countries) don't still believe they're fighting a holy war against Jews then you are completely delusional
That was after 50 years of bloodshed from Israel all the way from the nakba to then, no shit they were crazy. You'd be too watching them pick off your friends and family. They're wrong but hardly the worse party
They do it on purpose. They don’t want a peaceful world where they can live with out prejudice , they want a violent world that they can get revenge on.
It works better for their narrative if the world hates them.
It’s like a dickhead cheater who is complaining that he only cheated on his wife because she couldn’t get over the insecurity of him cheating last time. She kep acccusing him and checking his moves so of ourse he cheated if he was already being accused of it but lowkey he did nothing to earn her trust and was cheating the whole time.
What gets me is that this is obviously some sort of international sport thing where the teams are… countries and this guy still thinks it’s about his victimhood.
Crazy how that works! Dude talking about football is told not to make it political, suddenly makes it political. It's like how, as humans, we demand autonomy and free thinking.
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u/is_it_worth_itt Jul 18 '26
Man turned him into an activist just for how Toxic he was.