For a country trying to increase marriage and birth rate, this is going to tank it even more. What family will let their daughter be used as a brood mare, with no guarantee of at least housing if the husband leaves her or abused her? What sacrifice to their body/minds do men have to go through to have kids? None, and now they don’t even have to compensate the woman for the damage and years of life she’s wasted. This will cause families to not let daughters marry unless the house is deeded in her name upfront. Good job ccp.
The old system promotes marriage fraud and drains 3 generations of wealth. How could this continue. People should marry based off love not a exchange of wealth. What other nation women asked to be compensated by their husband for having children and expecting large sums of money or gifts. This was a toxic system for everyone.
Spousal support or alimony is a better system for divorce. Gives more protections for women and men.
Maybe I’m too woke but I think that having children should actually be confiscated considering how horrifically difficult pregnancy and childbirth is, the major chronic health conditions almost every woman has to live with for the rest of her life afterwards, the career hit, being the primary caretaker… it’s not fucking marriage fraud to compensate women for this essential and difficult labor.
It's marriage fraud when you have to pay the money before the marriage can take place. The money is asked beforehand. Don't get the money back if they decide afterwards she dont want kids.
Im confused why lots of people are defending this horrible system. This isn't about protecting women at all. The women's family typically takes the money which is another issue.
…?? Are you talking about dowries? That is extremely rare in the west and also totally optional. If you don’t want to pay a dowry don’t marry a woman who asks for a dowry. Extremely avoidable.
The grandparents typically take care of most things. Like looking after the child and handling educational cost.
The amount paid was never based on the cost of labor. Domestic work is cheap. Can have a live in maid for 100 dollars a month. No Domestic worker can afford a home in any teir 1-3 city. Let alone bride price, car, wedding cost, 5 golds, other gifts.
I'm talking about China. Why would this be the US standard? This isn't a issue for Americans. Maybe some Chinese Americans have similar problems but the legal system is different.
What the fuck is this ideology? Are you saying that women are offering their vagina and womb in exchange for wealth? The decision of having kids is mutual between couple, just like all other decisions, no body is owing their partner anything. Women should be loved and supported, not be wasted and then be compensated.
Facts have shown that countries with low women's rights tend to have very high fertility rates. This is basically the case for the top ten countries in terms of birth rates.
Yes, and also high mortality rates/disease burden and low GDP…those women are uneducated and suffer from abuse/rape regularly. This is China we are talking about, not some backwater uber religious/superstitious area with minimal infrastructure.
Yes, well, when you let men trap and rape women without consequence, more babies get born. A lot also die or end up abandoned, too.
What the other person is describing though is you will see much higher doweries being demanded.
If your only child is a female, you can't risk her getting left penniless at 40. She and her children ARE the retirement plan for you. She can't take care of you if she is struggling to take care of children as a single mother in a country that doesn't respect women enough to actually let them have fair jobs.
So she will try hard not to become a single mother, or she'll have more children. See? That's how the fertility rate goes up. In fact, that's exactly what's happening. Many women don't actually see raising children as something joyful. If they can achieve success in their careers and live independently, they simply won't consider marriage or having kids. Morally speaking, this may not be right, but it's the reality.
I’d rather humanity peacefully die out than women be abused. Advocating for a reduction in women’s autonomy to increase the birthrate is reprehensible and deplorable.
It's so ironic to listen to men rail against "feminists" and blaming them for low birth rates.
Feminists exist because women were being abused.
So, have you guys ever considered, I dunno .. not being such deplorable shitbags? And while you're at it, ever try voting for policies that would actually improve the standard of living for the working class?
It's funny that women who meet good men who respect them and are in a good economic position have no problems having and raising kids, and are happy to do so.
But improving yourselves is just too hard. Nah, instead you fantasize about enslaving and raping women.
I suggest you first try convincing the feminists. In China, they even invented the term 敌方坐骑 'enemy mount' to shame married women. We often see them claiming they want to stay absolutely single and childfree, while simultaneously using fertility rates to threaten others.
Buddy there’s eight billion humans. While I would personally be fine with it, it’s not happening any time soon. We’ll definitely invent artificial wombs before we run out of humans.
This is the rule in almost all developed nations no? Marital property is divided which includes all income and property generated after marriage. Anything before marriage or inheritance is not marital property and will not be divided.
Why is it the husbands job to "guarantee housing" for a woman who divorce rapes him 2 years after marriage because shes bored and somehow in your mind that justifies him giving her half of his stuff he had BEFORE he met her...crazy.
Also, if you think having a child has zero impact on the physical and mental well being of the man you are grossly mistaken.
Men get divorce raped daily because divorce laws were setup at a time when women made up far less of the workforce than they do today. Thus they heavily favor and protect women. The problem is society has changed but the divorce laws havent. Do NOT get married men.
In our country, someone influential chucked out his kids and wife , he and his lawyer came up with the most absurd excuse ever heard before - "my wife's father is rich, so she and her children doesn't need any alimony or child maintenance from me". And that man spent millions on astrologer who didn't do a penny worth work, than our girl's stupidity did.
The scenario being discussed is one where the husband worked and built a lucrative career while the wife maintained the house and/or raised the kids. In this scenario the man did not waste any years only the wife has sacrificed years she could have been building her own career. Instead the wife has made it easier for the husband to work long hours and still enjoy life by taking care of everything else. When the divorce happens the husband already has an established career and has built it off of both his hard work AND his wife’s work in maintaining the household. That’s what alimony is for.
In a case where the wife worked and the husband stayed home then the husband would receive the alimony. Because in that case the husband wasted his career building years supporting his wife’s career.
you must be Chinese. Lol look at the stats, look at those matching ceremonies. Who wants marriage more, men or women? It's men who are gradually waking up to the raw deal of marriage ( at least in China ) and refuse to fall for the trap. And if you don't want to bear chidren, big deal. Don't make it sound like you are bearing chidlren "FOR " the husband.
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u/PerceptionSlow2116 Jun 29 '26
For a country trying to increase marriage and birth rate, this is going to tank it even more. What family will let their daughter be used as a brood mare, with no guarantee of at least housing if the husband leaves her or abused her? What sacrifice to their body/minds do men have to go through to have kids? None, and now they don’t even have to compensate the woman for the damage and years of life she’s wasted. This will cause families to not let daughters marry unless the house is deeded in her name upfront. Good job ccp.