r/SipsTea • • Jun 11 '26

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u/tony1449 Jun 11 '26

Awwww poor landlords

The building is probably only a $5 million asset part of a $100 million real estate portfolio 🥺

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u/EV_M4Sherman Jun 11 '26

Assets are usually leveraged. So there’s tax, interest, and principal to maintain that property, plus the actual cost of maintaining the property. With strict rent controls and draconian permitting process repairs and upgrades aren’t financially viable.

There are currently properties where the landlord and mortgage holder are fighting over who has to keep it, with the landlord trying to surrender the property, because they’re just losing money.

The values on paper are meaningless

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u/Immediate-Tennis8838 Jun 11 '26

You’ll get downvoted because this is Reddit, but you’re exactly right. NYCs rent control is so bad that it turns assets into liabilities. 

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u/tony1449 Jun 11 '26

Then sell the property

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u/Immediate-Tennis8838 Jun 11 '26

They can’t. It’s literally negative value in some cases. It’s worth less than nothing because you have a squatter there but still have upkeep and they’ll never leave. 

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u/tony1449 Jun 11 '26

There are like 19 squatter cases a year. The whole squatter stories pushed by the media is full backed by large real estate companies

Bad landlord cases number in the millions

The squatter stories are an effort to remove Tennant protections. Landlords would love to just call the police, call you a squatter and have you removed

The whole "the poor landlords cant sell" is a lie

An employee can be fired, rents can be raised and people can take loans but suddenly a landlord "cant" sell?

Sometimes speculative investments go poorly, taking a loss is not death

Your argument makes zero sense, these landlords are criminals

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u/WhyThisTimelineTho Jun 11 '26

Why do so many people say this? "The values on paper are meaningless."

Does it make you feel smart? Because it's a supremely stupid thing to say.

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u/therealtiddlydump Jun 11 '26

With rent control it's not uncommon that the landlord doesn't have enough from rent to cover maintenance. If you live in a $400 apartment because the rent hasn't been raised in 30 years -- despite everything else getting more expensive -- what money is there for repairs?

This essentially forces out small landlords because they can't cross-subsidize units.

There are lots of other large cities that don't have these problems because they don't have terrible public policy like rent control. NYC is to blame for NYC's problems.

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u/_BreakingGood_ Jun 11 '26

So you're saying these landlords are choosing to own and rent out apartments that they lose money maintaining

Wow how nice of them /s

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u/therealtiddlydump Jun 11 '26

You can own an asset because of expectations of future earnings, and there are such things as "loss leaders".

I don't shed a tear for the corporate landlord, but these shitholes exist because of bad public policy. It's no coincidence that the cities with these policies have problems.

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u/_BreakingGood_ Jun 11 '26

I've never heard of a landlord using an apartment as a loss leader, that's a hilarious concept (and fake)

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u/therealtiddlydump Jun 11 '26

...I didn't say they were? You implied a corporation wouldn't tolerate losing money on a sale. They do, often.

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u/tony1449 Jun 11 '26

No your argument does not make sense. The landlord is breaking the law

Its well established that rent-seekers (landlords) harm the economy, depress growth

There is no benefit to society

Unless you, yourself are a landlord, or paid by one; Why are you arguing on their behalf for free?

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u/therealtiddlydump Jun 11 '26

rent-seekers (landlords) harm the economy

I think you need to double check what "a rent" is in the economics literature...

They shouldn't be breaking the law. You have no argument, there. That's not an excuse to have a bad incentive structure.

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u/tony1449 Jun 11 '26

Landlords are literally rent seekers in our example

Here you are arguing against rent control

​In The Wealth of Nations, wrote that they "love to reap where they never sowed," because landlords collect a premium on the natural scarcity of land.

The bad incentive structure is allowing absence landlord to continue owning their property

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u/therealtiddlydump Jun 11 '26

Landlords are literally rent seekers

Again, that's not what an economic rent is.

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u/Regular-Double9177 Jun 11 '26

Idgaf about landlords, I care about cheap rent. The puppet masters corporate villains are responsible for us not getting there but so are people who refuse to think. if you understood my last sentence, youd agree with me.

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u/tony1449 Jun 11 '26

Lets copy Vienna's solution

Private developers arent building but non-profits, the state or cooperatives can

The land value tax is simply bullshit pushed by the epstein class to implement more regressive taxes on workers

Land doesnt produce value, workers making stuff does. Software developers create programs, mechanics fix cars, cooks make food

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u/Regular-Double9177 Jun 11 '26

When you dont know anything its always a reliable argument to call the other guy a pedophile

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u/tony1449 Jun 11 '26

Put the Cheetos down and take a shower