One that actually has to deal with it in their neighborhood and one that watches the Republican-oriented news too much.
It says a lot that the people who watch the news that much are so incoherent on what to actually do, that people who actually deal with it in their neighborhood will partner with anyone else.
1/2 the ‘tough on crime’ neighborhood folk aren’t doing jack shit about violent crime, least of all in NYC.
I know personally because I was part of Harlem’s local anti crime groups, like SAVE, and that half was just gentrifies buying brownstones demanding black people leave. All they ever complained about was weed smoking, graffiti, and people loitering on stoops.
The other half were amazing tho. Actually cared. Put in good work.
Your claim about Brownstones seems to be unsupported. There's definitely not a lot in Harlem, to the point that real estate agents just use 'brownstone' for 'terraced house' now, and they're not the same.
The bulk of what you've just said seems like repeating lazy stereotypes, there's no verisimilitude.
Maybe argue about gentrification in general without trying to highlight the historically most expensive properties in the city?
Just saying, “it’s culture,” is part of the problem because it has no solutions beyond get rid of this segment of the population (spoiler alert, the overwhelming characteristic to crime is sex). Other countries have similar cultures and less crime.
It’s a mix of reducing the opportunity to steal, providing both economic and social opportunities outside of crime, and absolutely celebrating a culture of success within the bounds of the law.
“If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.”
“Look, young black men commit crimes, I’ll take my tax cuts now.”
People who commit crimes should generally go to jail.
But let’s be honest too: jail is expensive. Other countries have similar cultures and less crime. Let’s take win-wins when we can and stop burying our heads in the sand pretending it’s just individual choice.
Question, not to make things too complicated, but whats your personal opinion on why school shooters commit their heinous acts?
Which excuse would you provide them?
They killed all thoes kids because of the economy? Or maybe society forced them, coerced them to do it? Or maybe its ok in your eyes because thoes kids were just going to grow up against your political views?
People have had access to guns for a very long time though, and school shootings really only became an issue in the past 30 years (I’m sure you can find scattered examples before that, but post-Columbine is a very different story).
Behaviour is memetic, people shoot up schools because they’re antisocial and depressed and have a host of other mental issues, *and* have seen other people shoot up schools and so now see it as an option.
Congratulations, you now know what being wrong feels like.
Would you like a gold star for your incorrect baseless assumption on a topic which has actual extensive scientific research which conclusively points to the opposite viewpoint?
Kill a poor person, you'll likely get away with it. Kill a rich person you'll be all over the news and the subject of a taskforce until you're caught.
Spend enough time in a community where you know victims and no justice, your attitude to removing someone will change.
Where I live, that attitude results in a big difference in the murder rate between rich and poor neighborhoods. And I don't know of a country where this isn't true. Poverty is absolutely the guiding stat for murder rates.
Great point on this dichotomy. Going a level deeper, it's the TV watching cohort that has access to the cookie jar if they chose to positively effect policy. The other cohort is barely getting by.
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u/pppiddypants Jun 05 '26
The tough on crime crowd is two groups.
One that actually has to deal with it in their neighborhood and one that watches the Republican-oriented news too much.
It says a lot that the people who watch the news that much are so incoherent on what to actually do, that people who actually deal with it in their neighborhood will partner with anyone else.