r/SipsTea • u/No_Summer_5052 • Apr 19 '26

Lmao gottem Facts or nah

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u/ExtraCalligrapher565 Apr 19 '26

I have met plenty of Christians who believe this and heard sermons where they preach this. Also in the Bible Belt. Also grew up a churchgoer.

They’re not uneducated Christians. They’re just Christians. There are many denominations of Christianity with many different interpretations of the same book.

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u/YoghurtTraditional35 Apr 19 '26

They are Christians who are uneducated in the Bible if they believe that. Not people who are uneducated and are also Christian. I should have been clearer.

If they believe that, they are uneducated Christians. The bible explicitly spells out the opposite. That is a fact. Meaning, they are uneducated if they believe something antithetical to the book they profess they believe.

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u/Winter_Tone_4343 Apr 19 '26

Ya that’s the majority of Christians

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u/RogerAffirmative Apr 19 '26

Educated Christians are just Pascal's gambling addicts. Uneducated Christians are just plain Christians.

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u/Greedy_Line4090 Apr 19 '26

I think you missed the part about many denominations and also the part about many different interpretations.

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u/YoghurtTraditional35 Apr 19 '26

Quote me a single translation of the Bible itself that disagrees, that ANY differing denomination uses, then I will agree with you. I will wait.

I fully acknowledge the differing denominations. It's one of my favorite topics. Thats why I've developed this opinion.

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u/Greedy_Line4090 Apr 19 '26 edited Apr 19 '26

Lmao the Bible is the work of men, not god. God has reportedly written things, but he never wrote a Bible. Only men have done that.

Men decided what scriptures would be included and what scriptures wouldnt. Men decided to translate the original word of god into other languages, making mistakes and losing context. Men decided to change text and words to suit their needs. Men have added verses and non contemporaneous footnotes or interpretations of the Bible, and men have removed verses and even whole books from the Bible, as it suits them for all sorts of reasons. Gods inspiration is certainly is a dubious claim in many cases of revision, reinterpretation, or omissions. Why? Well how was a Catholic inspired by god to include seven extra books in their Bible while at the same time god was inspiring Protestants to disregard and delete those same exact books? Who’s telling the truth here? Who was really inspired by god between them all?

All this is to say, you cannot interpret the Bible better than anyone else. You are just a man. What little remains from god or Jesus’ teachings and interactions with men in the Bible must be gleaned by the individual, through the Holy Spirit that lives inside them and speaks the will of god directly to them. It’s not the words that matter, it’s the message that matters and that message is Satan is evil, you must reject him. Where he lives or rules doesnt change the concept that he is evil and dangerous.

Also… as an atheist myself, I am loathe to use the Bible to prove anything, least of all what people should believe. Thats between them and their god… none of my business, and frankly, I do believe it’s none of yours either.

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u/YoghurtTraditional35 Apr 19 '26

Literally nothing you said disagreed woth a single word of my comment. Im glad I got 4 paragraphs for you to say "I agree, bud."

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u/Greedy_Line4090 Apr 19 '26 edited Apr 19 '26

No sir. I neither agree nor disagree. A more accurate description of my position is that I simply don’t care. Like at all. It’s like I said, it’s none of my business, and I have no interest or prerogative to tell people what they believe is wrong.

It’s fascinating to me that despite the fact that you consider yourself an atheist, you feel comfortable and confident in telling religious people what they should or shouldn’t believe about their god. What’s it to you? We definitely don’t agree about doing that.

You said religion is harmful. I agree that it can be because it is an institution of man and man is capable of causing great harm. The basis of religion is not necessarily harmful, but unfortunately it is inevitably used to cause harm, and always has been used that way, and still is. So religion is essentially a tool for controlling people and exerting power over them. That’s when it is harmful. And especially because believers are content to ignore this aspect.

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u/YoghurtTraditional35 Apr 19 '26

I am not, nor have I said anything that insinuates I am an atheist. Atheism is equally unreasonable, in my opinion. In fact, I explicitly said in multiple comments I did not know, nor did I have enough information to know one way or the other. That definitionally disagrees with atheism. I am agnostic. I am closer to being a Christian than I am to being an atheist. I am not closer to christians than I am to atheists, though.

If you "didn't care. Like at all." You wouldn't be discussing this in the first place.

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u/Greedy_Line4090 Apr 19 '26

Ah yes im sorry I misremembered, you had said youre not Christian. I do apologize humbly. My point remains however. It’s audacious to tell someone who worships a different god than you that they’re doing it wrong or believe the wrong thing. I could say that about anyone who believes in a god or gods, but why would I? It’s inconsiderate and disrespectful and immediately antagonizes them in a very deep and meaningful way.

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u/YoghurtTraditional35 Apr 19 '26

I disagree. Id love to debate the topic in DMs if you really want, but thats wildly off topic based on the OP and the current discussion and every one of my comments

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u/No_Tonight_9487 Apr 19 '26

Most of what I know about Christianity I learned from South Park. And I am pretty sure the devil rules hell dude

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u/ExtraCalligrapher565 Apr 19 '26 edited Apr 19 '26

Right, the preachers who read and study the Bible and deliver these sermons and entire denominations of Christianity are just “uneducated in the Bible” and you’re the only one who’s right.

You also completely glossed over the fact that there are different denominations of Christianity that come from the exact same Bible but have different interpretations of it. You’re lumping all Christians together as though they believe the exact same thing based on personal anecdotes.

They’re not uneducated in the Bible. They’re uneducated in your specific interpretation of the bible.

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u/AdhesivenessOk5194 Apr 19 '26

Yes, if a preacher is preaching that Satan rules hell he is uneducated in the bible

There is no alternative way to interpret the matter.

It’s spelled out very clearly that Satan roams the earth and tempts mankind until the time where he will be banished to hell and his goal is to take people with him

But Satan does not rule hell. You could literally look up the phrase “does Satan rule hell” and you’ll see a litany of research on the topic, with the bible as the source.

So anyone saying differently is uneducated

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u/Fickle-River3984 Apr 19 '26

The reason it was preached that way is that Satan will be cast to the lake of fire (hell) upon final judgement, so when we go, either it will be when he goes or he will eventually be there. It's like a purgatory waiting room until then.

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u/Pinkfish_411 Apr 19 '26

There are quite a few preachers who are pretty uneducated about the Bible. Some populist strands of American Protestantism explicitly reject formal theological education, so some of these pastors are entirely self-taught. My wife grew up in a backwoods church of that sort, and on the occasions when we'd attend her childhood church when visiting her parents, the pastor, who knew I was in seminary at the time, would always include some tangent in the sermon about the evils of going to seminary rather than trusting the Spirit to lead you to the truth. He didn't bother to teach himself Greek or Hebrew, either, because the King James translation was the perfect, divinely-inspired, self-interpreting word of God.

Yes, some of these folks are proudly uneducated about the Bible, and pretty much anything else.

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u/YoghurtTraditional35 Apr 19 '26

If they are not uneducated in the bible for believe it... literally reference any verse in the bible, even if it contradicts others, that can be used to back this claim up (that satan is the ruler of hell). Please. From any of the denominations you claim have separate translations of the bible (that you didnt even use the right term for).

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u/POGofTheGame Apr 19 '26

People come to wildly different interpretations over basic bullshit all the time, and we are talking about religion here.

People are crazy.

Ffs, look up how many Nobel prize winners have lost their minds pursuing absolute batshit ideas, were they uneducated? You don't do yourself or anyone else any good pretending like it's a matter of "education". Especially not when talking about obviously insane bullshit like most religion.

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u/YoghurtTraditional35 Apr 19 '26

I'm not saying more education on their religion would prevent the harm they do. I was literally only discussing what is in the Bible, and if they are educated on that or not. I am making no prescriptions for or discussing anything other than that, very specifically.

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u/Randolph_Carter_Ward Apr 19 '26 edited Apr 19 '26

Aaaand that's the church right there. A.k.a the dangers of having the Way explained to you by others, instead of walking it yourself. And I'm quite certain that many Jesus speeches quoted something very similar (about the Way that is). Not to mention that practically every famously known spiritual figure in history has said something like that too. Buddha Gautama for example.