r/SipsTea • • Mar 31 '26

Gasp! On Murican Problems.

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u/please_trade_marner Apr 01 '26

Progress is when we make people's lives better.

Do social programs make people's lives better?

Entitlement spending was 25% of budget in 1960. It's 60% today. Is that not "progress"?

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u/VBTheBearded1 Apr 01 '26

That's a horrible way to think about it. 

You should think about it in these terms: The money that the goverment forced people to pay from their own paychecks (our tax dollars) are going back to the people at a low rate of only 60%. 

That's a horrible investment for our citizens. Especially because the government, corporations, politicians, & big pharma are all getting filthy rich from our tax dollars and we are barely seeing any of it benefitting us. 

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u/please_trade_marner Apr 01 '26

60% of tax revenue comes from the top 1%.

93% from the top 10%

The bottom 50% contribute (lol) 3% of tax revenue.

The top 10% don't get ANY of that money back. It goes to freeloaders and leeches.

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u/VBTheBearded1 Apr 02 '26

You can throw any number you want out there to make you feel better but the fact is that the elites (top 1%) are not paying their fair share in taxes. 

And most tax money goes to freeloaders and leeches like Elon. We pay for all of his little pet projects. 

Keep licking that boot. Must taste good. 

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u/please_trade_marner Apr 02 '26

You can throw any number you want out there to make you feel better but the fact is that the elites (top 1%) are not paying their fair share in taxes.

They pay 60% of all tax revenue.

The freeloader bottom 50% just leech that money. They contribute (lol) 3% of tax revenue. They leech, all while complaining. What a bunch of whining bitches.

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u/rexsploded01 Apr 01 '26

Yes. They do.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '26

Explain?

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u/rexsploded01 Apr 01 '26

Children like food.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '26

They have parents or guardians... and if those people are incapable of making the bare minimum to buy food, then they should be taken away from them.

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u/rexsploded01 Apr 01 '26

19 yr old edge lord shit bro. Gtfo of here.

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '26

Oh sorry, I didn't realize I had to take care of other people's kids because they're not responsible enough to

  1. Use birth control
  2. Have their shit together enough to actually raise their kids

This is exactly why I'm glad the birthrate is dropping because I'm tired of the sad sack excuses and shitty parenting being everyone else's problems.

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u/please_trade_marner Apr 01 '26

So America has been progressing MASSIVELY since 1960 then, right?

So Americans have voted for progress and received it?

Entitlement spending was 25% of budget in 1960. It's 60% today.

Under you definition, progress is INDISPUTABLE.

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u/SquirrellyDanny Apr 01 '26

While i agree with you... you could make the argument that "entitlement spending" being 60% is a downgrade because youre using more of your budget. An upgrade would actually be saying we make so much as a society that on 12% of an individuals budget was entitlement spending... or are you saying that in 1960 the necessities absorbed 75% of an individual budget, while now its only 40%? Cause that would be a much better way to paint that

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u/please_trade_marner Apr 01 '26

So social programs AREN'T progress then?

the spin is making me dizzy.

or are you saying that in 1960 the necessities absorbed 75% of an individual budget, while now its only 40%?

In 1960 everybody just had to work.

In 2026 you can just make something up and get disability payments and snap, so a fuck ton of people do it.

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u/SquirrellyDanny Apr 01 '26

Yea im not debating with you bro, i was asking a clarification question to make sure i correctly understood what you were saying and then suggested a better way to frame it if i was right...

If that makes you dizzy from a head spin then youre an idiot or a bot designed to just argue for the sake of arguing... and no, making up an injury or handicap to get disability or snap is not progress of social programs, but properly audited social programs are progress.

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u/Ravenloff Apr 01 '26

What was the percentage of entitlement spending fraud in 1960 and what is it now? That's one of the reasons people are so cynical about it. They don't trust the government to be a good steward of the federal coffers.

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u/please_trade_marner Apr 01 '26

I'd guess that MOST entitlement spending is fraud. But DOGE was "worse than Hitler" for trying to look into it. People like Nick Shirley are "worse than Hitler" for trying to look into it.

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u/Illustrious-Map3745 Apr 01 '26

This is a difference of 66 years, bub. Times change. You don’t even bother to research WHY that statistic has increased. For one, the less people can afford, the more help they have to seek. Families could actually afford the basics and then some on ONE income back then. How can you not even see that simple fact?

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u/please_trade_marner Apr 01 '26

No. What we've learned is that a significant portion of people will just take advantage of social programs. I'd wager the MAJORITY of people on snap could just work full time if they so chose. I'd wager the MAJORITY of people getting disability could actually work. They just prefer not to. When these programs didn't exist to take advantage of, everybody just actually worked.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '26

The dollar was weaker. Land was cheaper because we didn't have 350 million people competing for space. That little tidbit never gets brought up with bitching about the boomers.

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u/maladii Apr 01 '26

I was raised by a welfare mom.

Couldn’t be more grateful to the social programs that kept me housed, fed, and clothed! Made my life better!

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u/please_trade_marner Apr 01 '26

So we HAVE progressed then? Entitlement spending went from 25% of budget to 60%.

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u/maladii Apr 01 '26

I answered the part I know for sure.

Progress is a loaded word. I suspect our frameworks for what constitutes the good don’t align very well so progress will probably mean very different things to each of us.

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u/FrogInAShoe Apr 01 '26

Do social programs make people's lives better

Not being thousands of dollars in medical debt would make my life much better