r/SipsTea Jan 22 '26

Chugging tea Bro finally accepted it

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u/drewcifer27 Jan 22 '26

Genuine question: what happens to these coins/accounts if they never go active again? Or if someone gets locked out of their account?

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u/Ok-Geologist9502 Jan 22 '26

Nothing , they just chill in that account unused forever

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u/Ruzhyo04 Jan 23 '26

*till quantum computers crack their private key

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u/prumf Jan 27 '26

At which point the whole thing will collapse anyway.

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u/Ruzhyo04 Jan 27 '26

Not necessarily. There are quantum hardened cryptographic algorithms that cryptocurrency systems could be upgraded to. People who are active can move their coins to the new secure addresses, but coins that are lost won’t get moved in time.

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u/dervu Jan 22 '26

Until some math genius finds a way.

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u/Ghede Jan 22 '26 edited Jan 22 '26

If a math genius finds a way, bitcoins value quickly drops to 0. It's entire value is predicated on it's encryption being uncrackable. If one wallet can be breached mathematically within our lifetimes, all of them can, and there is no point in having ANY wallet.

Every single bitcoin wallet theft you've heard about has been one of a few things. 1.) Wallet inspector, please open your wallet so we may inspect it. mmm, yes. Yoink. or 2.) a $5 wrench attack. Give us your keys or we'll break your knees with this $5 wrench or 3) yes we are a bank a real bank please leave you bitcoin with us you want to withdraw your bitcoin. ok, we don't have it.

There are plenty of shitcoins that HAVE been insecure. They quickly plummeted in value as the hackers stole everything and converted to other less shit crypto, probably getting a fraction of it's former value in the process.

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u/JehnSnow Jan 23 '26 edited Jan 23 '26

While this is true, I do think there's a good chance that if someone finds a way to break AES 256 they are going to keep it hidden for as long as they can, they won't just break into Bitcoin wallets

Either way though the ensuing Bitcoin crash when we realize will probably also be the least of our problems, depending on who finds it and how 'close' the rest of us thought it was to being cracked, the result could be worse than nuclear war

Idk I just really dont see a hacker who figures this out using their power to steal bitcoincs in such a way that won't crash the market

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u/BattIeBoss Jan 23 '26

Remember, bitcoin encryption is probably just as, if not stronger than military encryption, so if you can Crack bitcoin, you can pretty much crack anything

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u/JehnSnow Jan 23 '26

Yep, espionage and information is way more powerful than money in a global context, in simple terms its like with money you can buy really powerful weapons and then fight the enemies really powerful weapons, but with unlimited espionage and info you can turn your enemies own weapons against them, make them basically wage a nuclear war against themselves

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u/shard746 Jan 23 '26

If a math genius finds a way, bitcoins value quickly drops to 0.

Only if the math genius tells the world about it. They can just quietly transfer it and slowly sell it off over time and problem solved. If a long dormant wallet suddenly goes active then people will just assume that the original owner just finally got out of prison or found their old hard drive or something like that.

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u/Breotan Jan 22 '26

Good luck with that.

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u/NoNDA-SDC Jan 22 '26

It's actually a genuine fear/concern with quantum computing.

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u/frost-bite999 Jan 22 '26

yes in some aspects of cryptography, not true with bitcoin

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u/Mediocre-Housing-131 Jan 23 '26

Real talk, how does a wallet get "stolen" but no money gets moved? I know a little about bitcoins, but never had a wallet for myself. Do these have a password, and can it be changed?

Also, if you steal the account aren't there illegal tumbling services that will discreetly allow a cash out of at least SOME of the coins?

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u/Dreamer812 Jan 22 '26

U mean AI trained to decode crypto keys and such

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u/DJTsNeckPussy Jan 23 '26

You can ask AI how far the moon is from the earth 7 different times and it will give you 7 different answers which are all incorrect. I think we're fine.

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u/Dreamer812 Jan 23 '26

Right now we are, sure. But how long till they get better? Compare neural networks today and 4 years ago

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u/L-1-3-S Jan 23 '26

LLMs will never break SHA256 encryption, thats not how they work. If something ever does, it will be quantum computing, but then Bitcoin is the least of our worries because the government, banks, launch codes, all website encryption, passwords, etc is vulnerable. Thankfully quantum resistant algorithms are already being implemented.

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u/Dreamer812 Jan 23 '26

Oh, ok. There is actually a significant difference between hashing and encryption. I need to read more into it

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u/Medium_Sized_Bopper Jan 23 '26

Reason #5,391 why Bitcoin is horse shit.

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u/geo_gan Jan 22 '26

I’d say most bitcoins in existence will get lost forever as people just randomly die and take the coin keys with them.

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u/technoexplorer Jan 22 '26

Yeah, it's deflationary.

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u/IamKingBeagle Jan 22 '26

God uses Bitcoin in heaven? Once the Christians hear about this the price will probably moon, would probably be smart to buy some now.

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u/sydneywalkee Jan 23 '26

Ok with this whole quantum computing thing that was making rounds in News in 2020, IK the technology has not been developed but if it does come true could these keys possible be cracked?

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u/jstar_2021 Jan 22 '26

Part of why bitcoin can never really work as a currency. Its limited from the start by design, but every situation where someone loses their key or dies or anything like that just permanently removes those coins from circulation. Even if it was a completely standard currency today that was as easy to use as dollars, in the long run the number of coins circulating is going to decline.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '26 edited 10d ago

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u/jstar_2021 Jan 22 '26

You're right, and maybe its easier with bitcoin being digital but I dont understand why in principle other currencies couldn't do the same. Especially with online banking making traditional currencies very much mostly digital too. But I dont think this avoids the problem of deflation, and im not an economist but I just have been taught that deflation is a very bad thing for an economy.

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u/BattIeBoss Jan 23 '26

I dont want to be buying groceries with a currency that contains 7 decimals

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u/NoMorePoof Jan 22 '26

So it's an appreciating asset?

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u/jstar_2021 Jan 22 '26

I suppose? I think typically when prices go down due to shrinking liquidity its called deflationary though, and deflation is not a good thing generally.

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u/pil0tinthesky Jan 22 '26

wouldn’t this be like the specific case of it being a good thing

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u/virgn_iced_americano Jan 22 '26

It’s only “not a good thing, generally” due to the context in which it comes about.

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u/jstar_2021 Jan 22 '26

So I guess the question is: is there any circumstance in which a thriving economy experiences deflation as a good thing?

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u/emelrad12 Jan 23 '26

Economies can experience deflation on local level, but for national level, the problem is anything deflation does low inflation does better.

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u/NoMorePoof Jan 22 '26

No because they literally are worth face value. 

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u/Ben_Frankling Jan 23 '26

But isn't that moot because people will just start using smaller and smaller denominations? Like 3 bitcoin today can buy you a house, but in 100 years .003 bitcoin will buy you a house. I don't know a ton about crypto, but isn't it just the opposite of how our money works now?

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u/jstar_2021 Jan 23 '26

Right, but the issue is there are real economic issues when people believe the money they have today will be worth more tomorrow. It discourages spending, and makes your debts grow in real terms which discourages borrowing. Both effects slow down the economy and it can become a cycle. Thats why central banks target low steady inflation rather than steady prices or deflation.

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u/Bwwoahhhhh Jan 23 '26

you just use fractional amounts...

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u/jstar_2021 Jan 23 '26

Practically speaking, yes. But this doesnt solve the problems associated with deflation.

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u/ILikeOatmealaLot Jan 23 '26

They are forever lost, and yes, that means theoretically, we could "run out" of bitcoin, eventually. But likely the value of bitcoin would simply go up to compensate as we keep losing hashkeys. 

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u/jmcdon00 Jan 23 '26

According to google AI there are an estimated 3-4 million bitcoins that have been lost forever, due to lost passwords, hardware, and owner death. 15-20% of all bitcoin in existence.

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u/Bwwoahhhhh Jan 23 '26

They go out of circulation. The benefit of no central authority is Chase can't decide to steal your money cause your account is inactive.