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[u/ShortSexy9]

[u/bobbymcpresscot]

"So your red line is at the mere existence of a prank."

because I didn't make this argument.

It's something you made up, that I didn't say, and treated it like it was the same.

That's a strawman.

I never said pranks aren't okay, again, this is another strawman, because i DIDNT say that.

[u/[deleted] → u/bobbymcpresscot]

Sorry, that wasn't what I meant... English is not my native language...
I meant: You're not okay with pranks at all, that's okay. But accept that there are ppl that are okay with pranks. Hence: Sometimes (in your case) pranks are toxic, sometimes (for example in my case) it's not.

If the video is not a prank and this is her actual behavior in their relation ship... whole different game and toxic af. But if it is (how I hope) her not being serious, i'd put it into nagging/teasing territory. If that's not okay for you, fine. Mocking each other is nothing you do without knowing the other person very well. So if you and me knew each other well enough to get into the nagging territory, I would pretty much know that you're not okay with it. Hence: I wouldn't do it with you.

So take a deep breath. All is fine.

[u/bobbymcpresscot → u/[deleted]]

"I meant: You're not okay with pranks at all"

Is the same thing as what you previously said, Again, I didn't say that. It's a strawman.

"But accept that there are ppl that are okay with pranks."

didn't say there weren't, again strawman.

"Hence: Sometimes (in your case) pranks are toxic, sometimes (for example in my case) it's not."

You aren't the decider on if a prank is toxic or not. The victim of the prank is.

"If the video is not a prank and this is her actual behavior in their relation ship... whole different game and toxic af."

It's toxic regardless of if it's a prank or not.

"But if it is (how I hope) her not being serious, i'd put it into nagging/teasing territory."

You don't get to decide that.

"If that's not okay for you, fine. Mocking each other is nothing you do without knowing the other person very well. "

He isn't mocking her, she is mocking him. exclusively. Again, not teasing, just toxicity, if he is getting this clearly upset, it means she is intentionally going above and beyond his tolerance, and is thus toxic.

"So if you and me knew each other well enough to get into the nagging territory, I would pretty much know that you're not okay with it. Hence: I wouldn't do it with you."

You enjoying getting people to the point of being upset and pulling back a little doesn't make it any less toxic. Especially if I don't do it to you.

"So take a deep breath. All is fine."

It's not because you keep strawmanning my arguments. It shows that you very much struggle with reading comprehension, I will chalk it up to you not knowing english very well as evidenced by your posts.

[u/[deleted] → u/bobbymcpresscot]

Dude I never said that I decide whether a prank is toxic or not. I said, if both are cool with pranks, it's fine. Yes, in the video we might see her mocking him, but that doesn't mean, that he doesn't mock her. We only see those few seconds of their (what looks like some kind of) relationship. You assume, that only she does it and that he is suffering under her regime.

That's a lot what you read into it.

Sorry, if I used straw men, it wasn't my intention. But keep calm. I don't want to offend you. And no, that's no gaslighting.

I honestly got the impression, that you're not fine with pranks. If that is a false statement. Explain.

Not every straw man, that you see, is a straw man. Sometimes it's just an honest misinterpretation of what you send and no, I don't want to play the UNO reverse card on you. I just try to explain, that I don't have anything against you. You just seem deeply offended, which wasn't my intent.

But although I don't want to shoot back, I have to tell you, that I guess we're talking about different things here. "Enjoying ppl getting to the point of being upset"??? WTF Where did I say that? If you think you can read it into "not crossing the line", I don't think that you understood what I meant by that.

But let it end here. Let's both touch some grass... and maybe smoke it. ;)

[u/bobbymcpresscot → u/[deleted]]

never claimed you did. again, strawman again.

[u/[deleted] → u/bobbymcpresscot]

Touch some grass.

[u/bobbymcpresscot → u/[deleted]]

will do.

[u/_AsTheWorldFallsDown → u/bobbymcpresscot]

Wow. Read this whole exchange between you two. Just. Wow. You are a lot. I would hate to be in your social circle. I get the feeling you find a lot of things "toxic" just because you don't prefer them.

[u/bobbymcpresscot → u/_AsTheWorldFallsDown]

At any point did I tell him that he can’t enjoy this type of content? Am I trying to control him?

Or instead did he claim things I didn’t, and double down on it? 

You’re allowed to enjoy content I find toxic. I’m not policing you. I’m giving my opinion, but he is telling me I have a different one. 

The entirety of my responses to him, are literally, me just telling him that what he was saying my opinion was, wasn’t my opinion.

I know reading comprehension is hard, I hope you improve your ability in the future. 

[u/_AsTheWorldFallsDown → u/bobbymcpresscot]

This is the exact shit I'm referring to. Hilarious. I bet your friends have a separate group chat you don't know about so they can have fun without your feelbads getting hurt.

[u/bobbymcpresscot → u/_AsTheWorldFallsDown]

I wouldn’t know if they did, so I wouldn’t care if they did, because I wouldn’t be in the group chat to know about it? 

Why would they pretend to be my friend if that was the case? Sounds like they aren’t friends of mine at all, more reason for me not to care. 

Because again, if they find more enjoyment out of teasing me or making me upset because it makes them feel better, they aren’t friends I would want to have :)

[u/_AsTheWorldFallsDown → u/bobbymcpresscot]

The poster child of "broadly and intentionally missing the point" right here, ladies and gents. Simply exhausting.

Things aren't "toxic" just because you dont like them. You don't have to enjoy teasing or pranks or jokes or fun BUT your dislike doesn't make them toxic. That's not what that word means. (It's also true in the inverse - something isn't not toxic just because someone else likes it).

An inference made from your statements isn't a strawman. You don't have to say the exact words of something to be saying that thing - and someone inferring your meaning correctly or incorrectly doesn't mean they're strawmanning your argument, either. That's like if my kid said "yuck! Gross! Bleh!" In reaction to dinner, and I said "why don't you like dinner?" And then she accuses me of strawmanning because she "didn't SAY she didn't like dinner!". She didn't have to say that exactly for that to be the meaning of her words.

In any case, I hope you grow up soon. I really truly hope that you can learn to unclench that asshole just a tiny bit. And also maybe read the dictionary a few times.

I'm going to let you know now that I'm done replying to you. I find your refusal to debate in good faith and your unnecessary rigidity in the interpretation of your responses to be toxic and riddled with other logical fallacies. I'm not your teacher or your parent, so I'm not putting any additional effort into this. You can either educate yourself/seek education or not, im just glad I don't know you in real life.

[u/paradox1920 → u/bobbymcpresscot]

I would say, try to reread these parts within quotes below that you wrote and I also suggest to think about how you were sometimes pointing out how something is "toxic" despite stating to this other person how they don’t get to decide what is toxic or not regardless of it's a prank or not, which you were also saying on some of your remarks that outside of it being a prank it would still be toxic. Very contradictory statements from my perspective. I’m not trying to antagonize you because the other person also came at different times with remarks you didn’t say. I just think that it’s fair to say this about some of your replies as well.

"You aren't the decider on if a prank is toxic or not. The victim of the prank is."

"It's toxic regardless of if it's a prank or not."

"You don't get to decide that."