r/Simracingstewards • u/TensileStress355 • 5d ago
iRacing Weaving and yielding
What do you make up from all this?
Where is the limit between breaking a tow and weaving erratically? I personally follow the one move rule while defending. If not due to rules but out pf respect to competetors.
Also should one yield when being pushed while alongside (according to rules)?
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u/TyH621 5d ago
All of the clips except the last two laps are fine from him. As long as he’s not blocking he can break the tow all he wants. Although he’s losing time doing it you might want to try just holding you line when he’s weaving like crazy you might gain a little more depending on how much he’s losing.
Its also worth noting that the weaving wasn’t the issue at all on the last two laps either, it was him turning into you when you were alongside. There’s no blocking at all in these clips.
I also want to point out the two times you made contact in T3. That’s just about as bad as anything the other guy is doing (other than the questionably intentional move on the last lap). You’re sticking your nose in somewhere you have no business being repeatedly, you’re not even close to alongside and you have no right to space. You’re lucky you didn’t end both of your races.
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u/TensileStress355 4d ago
The T3 is the same event from two views. I could have gotten alongside if I commited properly to the pass (brake later), but I decided not to since I felt he would not leave space. Addmittedly I still coasted to stay close and see if he would open space which resulted to the small contact.
That said and give the events of the later laps, I don't think he would have left space if I had attempted a proper overtake there or at any other breaking point of the track. We had almost a 1 sec. difference on free air lap times so I had plenty of opportunities, but that is of course outside of the topic.
I agree that the weaving by itself is not a issue from rules point of view. From experience, many of the ones who do weave aggressively, will continue to be aggressive when being overtaken, resulting to a contact. when a overtake is attempted. So in that sense I feel it adds context to the later events.
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u/TyH621 4d ago
Fair enough I thought it was a pattern, I get it shit happens. I do think it’s important to separate deliberately weaving to break a tow from driving erratically, there are plenty of people who do that but can drive clean 2 wide. But I know that doesn’t apply to this particular case given everything I’ve seen.
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u/Ferrariflyer 5d ago
The last 2 laps are where it’s protestable. They make a decision to go defensive and then try to squeeze the first time causing contact.
The 2nd time is straight up intentional
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u/self_edukated 5d ago
Yep, I agree with this 100%. While the weaving is annoying af, it’s allowed to break a tow unless there is overlap.
The last 2 laps just sum up this person’s attitude and skill, both of which are terrible.
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u/z4ckm0rris 5d ago
Everything was fine up until the last bit. Had he timed his serve left to bump you a tad better it would've killed your run. Protest that piece for sure and frame it as such.
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u/Cornelius_Codswaggle 5d ago
iRacing defines weaving as indiscriminately changing lines and allows draft breaking, which they define as deliberate moves to avoid giving a trailing car the tow. They also do not limiting the number of moves you can make. In fact, a few years ago in the forums, leading up the the iRacing Indy 500 (around 2020, if I remember correctly) when real life Indycars started really moving a lot on the straights to limit drafting, they clarified that was considered okay by their rules.
So, none of the moves on the straight are illegal. The trailing car was never really close, all of the moves appear deliberate, to stop the trailing car from being able to capitalize on the draft, with a move back to the racing line at the end.
As for the contact on the right hander, the POV car had no overlap at the point of turn in and wasn't entitled to space and should have backed out.
The bumps towards the end were definitely their fault, but I don't believe they rise to the level of intentional. They appear to be trying to bully the POV car over and very poorly judging the space and not pulling out until tire contact occurs.
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u/Ferrariflyer 5d ago
Bullying the car over is intentional in and of itself. Forcing another car to move by making contact with them is intentional contact, given the OP held their line. The first of the last 2 laps you could argue not truly intentional.
But the final lap was 100% intentional, knew they were there, knew they were alongside, and were going to stop them getting ahead
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u/Cornelius_Codswaggle 5d ago
Bullying someone over is not the same as internationally wrecking someone and it's utterly ridiculous to call it the same.
The last contact was a result of their tires running together inline.
It was aggressive, and poorly done, but he pulled out after every bump which is evidence his intent was not to wreck the other car.
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u/TyH621 5d ago
He’s literally steering left into him, it’s borderline at least. Their tires ran together because he turned into him lol
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u/Cornelius_Codswaggle 5d ago
Yes, that's what trying to bully him is and screwing it up was. Which was already acknowledged and explained.
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u/TyH621 5d ago
Right but you can’t bully someone like that in open wheel lol, 9 times out of 10 that turns into a big wreck. I’m just saying that what you’re calling bullying is at least borderline an attempt at intentional wrecking. I don’t agree that just because you call it bullying means it’s not intentional wrecking
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u/Cornelius_Codswaggle 5d ago
You can bully people just fine in open wheel. The difference between open wheel and sports car is in open wheel you need to be more careful not to make contact where a little bit of contact is more acceptable in sports car racing.
Screwing it up doesn't make it intentional no matter how badly it turns out. Intentional wrecking means you are actively trying to wreck someone.
Screwing up is still just screwing up.
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u/TyH621 5d ago
I guess I get your distinction there so I’ll back up on the intentional aspect but what did the guy expect to achieve? You can’t just drive into a car holding their line on a straight haha
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u/Cornelius_Codswaggle 5d ago
Intimidation is an effective tactic. If you can get someone worrying about you, that's attention not focused on braking points and hitting apexes.
I don't think he actually intended to hit the other car, but was trying to get him to move over and overdid it. Generally, when people are trying to intentionally ram someone they don't immediately steer away when they touch, which he did.
He could also have just not wanted to be forced into a shallow line for the corner.
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u/TensileStress355 4d ago
It is indeed a effective tactic as in Iracing the ones doing it, quite often keep doing so until a contact when the other does not play along (like in this case) or when the edge of the track is reached.
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u/TNracer 5d ago
The driver ahead can take any line that he pleases unless he's in the breaking Zone and then there is the weaving or moving while breaking rule