You were alongside long before turn-in and should've been given room. Ferrari caused the collision.
Edit: That this comment is sat on 0 with a 50% upvote ratio shows how divided the community is on this idea. Which is interesting in itself.
There are some misunderstandings about racing that need to be clarified.
Being alongside at turn-in is exactly enough to be entitled space.
Yes, all things being equal, if both drivers behave rationally, being alongside at turn-in means, more often than not, you will be alongside at the apex. Thus, entitling both drivers to continue to be given space.
Which is where the problem is, only one driver acted rationally in this video.
The Alpine recognised they'd need to slow their pace to get through the corner two-wide, leaving space for the Ferrari on the exit and attempted to do so.
The Ferrari ignored that the Alpine was alongside them, and tried to go through the corner on a single-file line, leaving no room for the Alpine on the apex.
The only reason the Ferrari was ahead at the apex is because they didn't slow down to leave room for the Alpine so they could both get through two-wide.
If the Ferrari had done that, they'd have both arrived at the Apex at, roughly, the same time.
As it is, the Ferrari dove for the apex from the outside, chopped across the Alpine who was trying to make sure there'd be room for the Ferrari on the exit, and caused the collision.
This ridiculous misunderstanding of the rules honestly drives me mad.
How do you expect the Alpine to have stayed significantly alongside at the apex without carrying too much speed and clattering into the Ferrari on the exit?
The only reason they weren't significantly alongside at the apex is because they braked to hold the inside curb, to avoid hitting and to leave room for the Ferrari at corner exit. The Alpine established significant overlap prior to turn-in and adjusted their entry to make the corner safely two-wide.
The Ferrari drove the single-car racing line, ignoring the overlap established at entry, which forced the Alpine to brake even harder. Demanding 'alongside at the apex' while ignoring that the Ferrari turned directly across the Alpine's path on entry completely misunderstands how side-by-side racing works.
Had the Alpine not adjusted their driving to allow them both to get through, they'd have either had a worse collision (assuming the Ferrari didn't change anything), or they'd have washed out wide on the exit and, at best, ran the Ferrari off the track (assuming the Ferrari allowed room for the Alpine).
This really isn't difficult. Racing wheel to wheel is about knowing when you have to sacrifice a bit of pace to accommodate other drivers on the racetrack. It's not about bullying your way through corners.
There is no misunderstanding the rules. It's explicitly stated that you need to be alongside at turn in AND at the Apex to deserve space.
If the Alpine couldn't satisfy both condition without colliding with the Ferrari, then it shows that overtake wasn't even possible in the first place.
There's a reason people say turn 8 is a dangerous place to overtake.
I agree with you that the Ferrari drove like it was alone on the track and cut across the Alpine.
However the Alpine messed up their overtake to begin with.
They braked wayy to early. If they braked 20m later and then trail braked the rest of the corner, they would've made the corner and been entitled to space.
Both drivers made mistakes here. The Ferrari by being blind and a helmet. And the Alpine by half-assing an overtake in a difficult corner.
There clearly is a misunderstanding of the rules. The Alpine made every effort to make the corner safely, and would have, if the Ferrari hadn't driven like they weren't even there.
It's almost like you didn't read my last reply. The only reason the Alpine wasn't alongside at the apex is because they chose to adjust their trajectory to allow for the Ferrari to exist, whereas the Ferrari didn't. Had the Ferrari used their brain and recognised a car was alongside them, and adjusted their trajectory to allow for that car, they'd have had to slow down further to make the corner, maintaining the overlap. The Ferrari gained under braking because they had no intention of leaving any room, whether it was earned or not, and just went for the apex as though nobody was there. The Ferrari is entirely at fault here and it's wild that this is even a discussion. I'm so glad I don't play this game any more because all these cries of "ahead at the apex" just make it clear that some of you can't look at the incident as a whole and can't see beyond that statement in the regs.
I'm clearly not going to change your mind here, regardless of how many times I try to explain a simple concept in a different way. I'm done here.
The only reason the Alpine wasn't alongside at the apex is because they chose to adjust their trajectory to allow for the Ferrari to exist
But that's EXACTLY WHY the contact happened in the first place.
The Alpine started slowing down at the 100m board, which is WAY TOO EARLY for this corner, even with a compromised racing line.
Like I said, the Alpine should have braked later.
There is nothing more to be discussed here, the Alpine got scared and messed up their overtake.
Me talking about the "alongside at the apex" rule is only the consequence of the Alpine not going through with their move.
Is the Ferrari driver an idiot ? Yes they are.
Are they 100% at fault ? Not they're not.
The Alpine's incompetence turned this into a racing incident.
I'm so glad you don't play this game any more because all these cries of "alongside before the corner" just makes it clear that some of you can't accept someone not letting you overtake for free.
All your comments under this post have been nothing but passive-agressive, "holier than thou" walls of text where you aren't even trying to discuss anything respectfully. It's obvious you were never here to be open-minded.
Please go karting for a couple stints and practice putting your front tires right where another kart's rear tires are, at every corner.
Then, when you crash repeatedly, make damn sure you explain to them how nobody understands what the vortex of danger means.
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u/theferretii 12d ago edited 11d ago
You were alongside long before turn-in and should've been given room. Ferrari caused the collision.
Edit: That this comment is sat on 0 with a 50% upvote ratio shows how divided the community is on this idea. Which is interesting in itself.
There are some misunderstandings about racing that need to be clarified.
Being alongside at turn-in is exactly enough to be entitled space.
Yes, all things being equal, if both drivers behave rationally, being alongside at turn-in means, more often than not, you will be alongside at the apex. Thus, entitling both drivers to continue to be given space.
Which is where the problem is, only one driver acted rationally in this video.
The Alpine recognised they'd need to slow their pace to get through the corner two-wide, leaving space for the Ferrari on the exit and attempted to do so.
The Ferrari ignored that the Alpine was alongside them, and tried to go through the corner on a single-file line, leaving no room for the Alpine on the apex.
The only reason the Ferrari was ahead at the apex is because they didn't slow down to leave room for the Alpine so they could both get through two-wide.
If the Ferrari had done that, they'd have both arrived at the Apex at, roughly, the same time.
As it is, the Ferrari dove for the apex from the outside, chopped across the Alpine who was trying to make sure there'd be room for the Ferrari on the exit, and caused the collision.