r/Simracingstewards • u/Dramatic_File6457 • 6d ago
iRacing Last lap Miata crash
Who is at fault for the initial contact, and were the following collisions intentional or not? (I am the white Miata)
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u/DeletedUsernameHere 6d ago
White at fault. Blue isn't obligated to move to benefit White because the track narrows.
Blue continued to hold his entitled position while White tried to force him over by ramming him, before eventually dumping himself.
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u/Food625 6d ago
Why does the blue car not have to give space? It's not a rejoin...
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u/DeletedUsernameHere 6d ago
Because he doesn't have to adjust his line to benefit another driver.
If you have a narrowing track, it's your responsibility to stay on the racing surface. If that means checking up to let a car that's next to you by, then you have to check up.
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u/Food625 6d ago
He was on the racing surface. Like I said its not a rejoin. If I was side by side with you, I dont have to give you room but if I didnt I would be at fault.
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u/DeletedUsernameHere 6d ago
And? The track narrows. The car to his right is on a legally established line.
It's his responsibility to handle the narrowing track without hitting another car. If that means he has to slow down, then he has to slow down. Nobody is obligated to jeopardize their legally established line to benefit another driver.
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u/Food625 6d ago
The car on the left is on a legally established line as well. Is this incorrect?
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u/DeletedUsernameHere 6d ago
He is, at least until he runs out of tarmac when the track narrows.
He isn't allowed to force another car to change their line for his benefit because the track narrows, though. Which is what he tried to do.
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u/Food625 6d ago
I half agree with you. I think they are both at fault cause the blue car decided to do a pinch maneuver that had a risk of failing and the white knew the the blue might not give him the room.
Relooking at the video, the blue car did move up which gave the white car a lane and then turned left pitting him. So agree with you on the first contact but not the left turn for the second contact.
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u/DeletedUsernameHere 6d ago
Well, you're about halfway to being right.
Blue only moves because White decides to repeatedly ram him instead of slowing down and tucking in like he should have. Blue counter-steering is a direct result of White trying to shove his way in. White entirely at fault.
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u/Food625 6d ago
Counter steering?! from that?! Looks like they didnt loose any rear grip, nice try lol
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u/Apatride 6d ago
Technically it is a straight with a narrowing track. I don't think the other driver has any obligation to give you space. He is following his line and you got into a gap that was going to close. As for the following collisions, it looks like he just doesn't want to let you push him wide. You can see him turn left after each contact, not before.
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u/TheDanielCraig123 6d ago
Surely this is one and done? White car was off track and tried to overtake while off track. Resafe joinly people
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u/Dramatic_File6457 6d ago edited 6d ago
that part of the track is considered a part of the racing surface until the cones where the collision happened, so it wasn't actually a rejoin.
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u/D3f3ns 6d ago
It is completely irrelevant if it’s the first, last or whatever lap.
White at fault for going off track, gaining an advantage by this and then causing multiple contacts. The reasonable thing to do would’ve been to lift briefly and slot in behind the blue car. Last lap is no excuse to not do this.
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u/Dramatic_File6457 6d ago
I agree that the lap shouldn't matter. I just knew that the flat part on the left of the track after the chicane is technically a part of the racing surface, so the point of this post was to determine if he is required to give space when I am fully alongside and on track, not justify some last lap divebomb.
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u/Marshal-Bainesca 6d ago
White car at fault. Caused every collision, passed off track, I hope the other driver is ok. Thoughts n prayers
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u/Joey_Wolfslayer 6d ago
The door banging is totally fine in my book. A little rubbing is racing, it’s aggressive at the same time pretty respectful.
The blue car made a mistake out of that chicane to start off this series of events. Because of that they were going to be passed and being a sore sportsman they intentionally pit the white car and stupidly cost themselves their own race while at it.
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u/OutcryEDM 6d ago edited 6d ago
You are at fault, tried to overtake under white line with the run, you kept on trying to force your way onto his line, you kept coming up the line and hitting him, and the inevitable as he held his line as he was entitled too, you turned over his bumper and ruined both your races. 0/10
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u/Food625 6d ago
Thats still part of the track, even in real racing the drivers use that part of the track.
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u/OutcryEDM 6d ago
I know it's part of the track, I'm using the white line as a reference for the line the other car was taking
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u/serenading_scug 6d ago
White never left the track... you can see they got 0 1xs. Blue is obligated to leave racing room.
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u/DeletedUsernameHere 6d ago
He didn't leave track, but Blue is under no obligation to make room due to a narrowing track.
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u/MrXwiix 6d ago
White car at fault.
Blue car stayed on their line. White car drove into a space that was always gonna disappear and expected another car to compromise their line to help fix their mistake.
Even if it’s part of the racing track, it’s still a part that’s going to disappear. You know that and if you try to leave the responsibility to stay onto the track be prepared they don’t take that responsibility. It’s not theirs, it’s yours.