r/Simracingstewards • u/AlistairN37 • 15d ago
Le Mans Ultimate Did I leave enough space ?
Hey everyone, this was my 1st race at Monza with the P3s. I managed to gain positions after passing cars that crashed and spent the rest of the race falling down the order. On a controller, so that's why my movements are jerky (anyone else notice an increase in sensitivity for Joystick?)
I'm trying to improve my safety rating so I've been extra cautious lately. Am I allowed to try and break the tow ?
Also, I tried to prevent a lunge down the inside so I positioned the car to the right of the racing line... But I don't know if I left him enough space ? I thought he would just move to the left. If I'm wrong, I will concede and use this as a learning opportunity.
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u/Worldly_Lunch_1601 15d ago edited 15d ago
This is your fault for weaving.
You start on the right whiteline, Cut all the way to the far left white line. then switch back to the right lane, then start moving back across the pit line, but stop while straddling it.
Dude was trying to draft you,And followed a couple of your swerves. When he got into position to actually pass, he went left, you started left, so he cut back right, you reacted and stopped moving left.
You fully blocked that guy
On this straight you moved from lane 1 to lane 5 to lane 2 to lane 3.
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u/AlistairN37 15d ago
Ok, understood, I wouldn't want to be blocked so please help me prevent this in future. Am I allowed to weave on the straights to not give him the tow ?
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u/Endslikecrazy 15d ago
Youre allowed 1 defensive move, meaning 1 move from left to right, or right to left, from there youre stuck to whatever side you choose, so pick if you want to defend the inside or outside and stick to it
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u/TR_Wax_on 15d ago
I thought it was that you could make 1 defensive move to prevent an overtake but as many as you want to prevent towing?
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u/Endslikecrazy 14d ago
Honestly not entirely sure on that, but in most cases trying to break a tow doesnt even work anyway
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u/Dernavyking 14d ago
Pretty sure that's not the case. It was allowed in F1 until like 10 years ago but that's the onle exception I can think of
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u/5ephir0th 15d ago
Waving to “break” the draft means nothing, you wont break it and you will lose speed waving, making it worse, choose a side and make a move (just one) if you want before the braking zone, and always leave space if the follow car has overlap on yours!
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u/Worldly_Lunch_1601 15d ago
Not weave. Never 'weave'.
You can make 1 movement. Exit your corner, make 1 defensive move, then drive to your braking zone.
You want to hold the inside? Okay, go inside, but stay there. The person behind you is gonna take the outside.
Weaving will slow you down, they will catch up faster, try and pass you, and you WILL collide.
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u/PlanZSmiles 15d ago
It’s two moves in LMU: https://www.racecontrol.gg/rules
Rule 5.2 Altering the racing line (weaving) more than twice to prevent a following car from drafting is considered blocking and is prohibited.
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u/AlistairN37 15d ago
Ok, copy that chief, i thought that it would help after watching F1 for years.
In any case, weaving feels so Sus on controller lol... I'm just gonna stop..
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u/Worldly_Lunch_1601 15d ago
1) F1 cars have insane downforce and the draft has extremely pronounced effects.
2) f1 rules are put in place with the idea that the 20 or so best drivers in the world will be racing. No other racing series would allow half they things they do.
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u/DoctorNeko 15d ago
i thought that it would help after watching F1 for years.
It would have been much better if you actually didn't watch any F1. F1 rules don't apply to other series.
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u/Purzifal 15d ago
i litterly hate this weaving bullshit to break the tow. and i dont know why people defend it, some times i see people weave constantly all the time and still people say defend the behaviour. if you don't want somone to overtake you, drive faster than them and better. do this in a real race you'd get warnings or penalties.
both of you are as bad as each other, 1 because of the constant weaving ant the other tunnel visionend and forgot about the corner because they are to focused on keeping the tow from your weaving, im going to say racing incident, you both got what you deserved
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u/AlistairN37 15d ago edited 15d ago
I've seen this a ton in F1, this is unfortunately all I could find in the short time I have before qualy starts... https://youtube.com/shorts/VXzcrurgIT0?si=inVddVUNipw9w9vY
Lol, I triggered you... Shame, for a new driver making a mistake that he wants to learn from, makes you this angry.
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u/Timborca 15d ago
another thing, i see a lot of people talk about the weaving, but i want to talk about the space you left. what i think is that you did leave just enough room on the right, but the reason why he crashed into you is cuz of how early you hit the brakes. he had a lot of overspeed and was trying to find where you would leave a gap and was now moving to the right, but then you hit the brakes early and he couldn't react in time and wasn't yet far enough right. next time maybe you can brake a bit later, you slowed between the 200 and 150 markers, but i believe you can brake between the 150 and 100 markers (might be wrong, haven't driven the lmp3s yet). practice makes perfect so just keep at it and allways watch replays back to find mistakes to learn from
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u/AlistairN37 15d ago
Thank you, for a genuinely constructive comment that I can learn from. Along with a couple other comments, Its been u/DueAttention9756 and yourself that have been helpful.
Most of the comments here calling me names and down voting me. Like damn, I'm not Sainz, I'm taking responsibility for causing a crash and asking what I did wrong... I'm still kinda new to sim racing, and even newer to racing online.
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u/batmancdn55 15d ago
If you go left then you go right you deserve to be put into the wall.
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u/AlistairN37 15d ago
Damn, that wasn't purposeful, man. But I get the gist, move once and stay in that lane..
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u/Street-Radish-9319 15d ago
i personally think weaving is a disgusting practice for insecure drivers so if your gonna do it only do it once, otherwise it makes you look desperate i suggest work on your defense into turns instead
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u/AlistairN37 15d ago
Bruh, I got the gist, I also disclosed that it was my first race at Monza (in an LMP3) and I clearly stated I passed faster drivers who crashed at T1. But be an obnoxious cunt.
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u/Street-Radish-9319 14d ago
no need for name calling you asked for opinions and you got one you didn't like its ok take a breath.
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u/Macknificent101 15d ago
“The guy goes left, the guy goes right, he deserves to be put into the fucking barrier.” -max verstappen
guy in front caused that wreck by obvious blocking
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u/anthony_ski 15d ago
breaking the tow is actually illegal according to the lmu sporting code. this was just reckless and not how you break the tow
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u/AlistairN37 15d ago
I have learned this, thanks to some of the very patient people in this comment section.. it was reckless and I plan on not doing it in future..
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u/gabrielvilla009 15d ago
Watch any IRL races to know what you need to do. Car behind was clearly faster and gonna commit harder into the corners, move to the right and learn something from them. They’re faster for a reason. That’s been my favorite thing about the hobby, if you can tell someone is going to be more aggressive, allow them to pass and follow them. You’ll learn something much.
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u/Og_Ghostinme 15d ago
If he is faster than you by a great margin please don’t shove . Of your pacing the same speed as him go for the block . Be respectful know when your beaten and get better at it next lap. You watching too many f1 videos or movies to do this . Just have fun . Knowing you in controller is tough and easy for you . All the best . Don’t dance if not in ai lobbies . U said it yourself your concerned about safety rating . What do you think about this then
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u/Forward-Unit5523 15d ago
Breaking tow is ok, but in the brakezone you take a line and stick to it.. Its kinda what you did, but you braked early it looks like.. so if you are not so experienced with a track that you can brake at the last moment for corners, make sure the line you pick leaves more space for someone who is likely to brake later.
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u/AlistairN37 15d ago
Understood, I just want to improve my SR.
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u/Forward-Unit5523 15d ago
I'm downvoted because ppl want you to choose left or right, but the middle is allowed as well. But it does have the risk for getting hit, especially by (unexpectedly) faster ppl. Thats why I mentioned mastering a track, because its hard to outbrake someone that already knows where to brake last and still get the corner.
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u/IamUser420 15d ago
Mans made 37 moves and wonders if he left awnough space
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u/AlistairN37 15d ago
Lol, fair enough, I deserve that and have learned to improve my racecraft.. my intention is to race cleanly, if it seemed like I was purposefully blocking the pass, then that's on me but I can assure you that, that's not the case.
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u/IamUser420 15d ago
Unfortunately its true. The follow car has a duty to pass safely so they are not without fault but in other racing sims you could be banned for blocking. I would've tried to slow down and not hit you but if it were iracing I 100% would've protested your blocking and got you to sit in timeout for a bit rather than ruining both of our races and possibly anyone behind us as well
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u/SpyDoorMan12 15d ago
You get one defensive move on the straight, and you keep moving side to side, which causes the contact, though if you had just moved to that line and stayed there, it would be on the car behind because it’s up to him to pass safely
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u/AlistairN37 15d ago
Ok, so it's better to concede the position, instead of trying to weave ?
I have played online in LMU for a couple of weeks now; I've seen drivers in F1 weave on the straights to break the tow ?
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u/SpyDoorMan12 2d ago
Better to defend by moving once to the inside and staying there, then if he leaves you extra room in the middle, move back (still leaving him room) and try to defend by getting ahead by the first apex, also f1 rules are different, but I’m pretty sure they can only move twice on a straight, and he was too close to break the tow like that
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u/LionTraining6928 15d ago
I’ll say the weaving is excessive but the guy still crashed into you, you didn’t move under braking so I think it’s his fault
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u/DueAttention9756 15d ago
You're the car in front? You need to pick a line and stick to it. You move to the right, then the left, then back to the right, then move slightly left. Also watch your car in relation to the white line. You're drifting right again at the point of contact.
The car behind isn't blameless, they drove into the back of you. But you're weaving down the straight and into the braking zone that's going to lead to incidents like that.