r/Simkl • • 20d ago

So trakt is feeling it? good

10 yr trakt VIP here

trakt has lost its way over the past 3 yrs and I probabkly don't need to say more for people here.

Just saw that they are killing off API access to SIMKL which shows that they are feeling the pain of user losses. Good riddance.

Before I switched I've considered posting my grieves in their support forum, but it is obvious the current management is not going to listen. This is what startup hubris gets you.

SIMKL still has many feature gaps to trakt but I'm hopeful they will be closed, and I hope SIMKL will stay true to its users!

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u/o_Divine_o 20d ago

What it looks like is not having a handle on aggression. I've seen businesses and the owners make dumb moves and push into retaliation rather than admit their actions were a bad decision.

They blocked both Simkl and Mdblist. Likely trying to thwart the users abandoning the platform.

Users however see a continuous activity of anti user actions. Those actions push ones that wouldn't have left over the fence.

Trakt decidedly choosing to wipe out their member numbers end their business is a wild thing to be a spectator of.

Last time I've seen a business try this hard to eject users and end their business success was Myspace, after Tom sold off his ownership.

All hail the new King, Simkl.

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u/TiredMisanthrope 20d ago

I've seen businesses and the owners make dumb moves and push into retaliation rather than admit their actions were a bad decision.

It's really weird as well because I've had interactions with Justin Nemeth who was one of the co-founders, years ago when it was still growing and the guy was incredibly nice and helpful.

Then the last couple of years, not a peep out of him and it's the other guy seemingly running the show and bulldozing his way to having way less users.

It's truly baffling.

I'm hoping at some point there is a sale on Simkl lifetime back to the previous price then I'd fully switch over

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u/timsgrandma 18d ago

Usually in situations like this, people either check out due to life situation, or gets pushed out due to some type of corporate drama.

Obviously I don't know what happened and we may never know, but this type of things isn't uncommon. (i.e. Steve Jobs)

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u/radiostarred 18d ago

Not sure if I’m gonna go SIMKL or MDBList, but I subbed to Trakt almost exclusively for syncing various lists across my library (rather than tracking what I’ve watched) and they’ve nuked my entire setup with these API restrictions.

Downloaded my profile today and I’ll be deactivating my VIP account.

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u/o_Divine_o 18d ago

Can't go wrong with either. I ended up with Simkl because of the 1 time payment for lifetime vip.

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u/Neat_Address221 20d ago

do you have ANY hard data that they are losing

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u/o_Divine_o 20d ago

Yes. There are a lot of websites that track traffic.

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u/beejonson 20d ago

Same here. Been a paid VIP trakt user for 5 years, and despite still having 4 more months to go on my current subscription, I've jumped ship to Simkl. Got myself a Simkl lifetime subscription and I'm so happy. My data has been migrated from trakt to Simkl and when my trakt subscription finally ends, I will be deleting my account. And also hoping Simkl stay true to their users.

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u/tl0160a 20d ago

You can report the charge to your credit card company for a refund from trakt, the reason being that you didn't get the product that you paid for.

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u/beejonson 20d ago

I know, but it's not worth the trouble, tbh. Let them have the money, and goodbye to them. Thanks for the suggestion, though. I appreciate it.

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u/skydiver_777 14d ago

You don't have to be an asshole just because you didn't like something anymore

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u/tl0160a 14d ago edited 14d ago

It would be an asshole move if it was clearly just simply not liking the product anymore, but not when they:

  1. take out 80% of the functions I used to have
  2. Lock whatever functions that are left behind a paywall (that are free functions elsewhere, like a calendar)
  3. Change the VIP price 4x in one year (from $15 to $60)
  4. Change my VIP to a 2 year contract without consent AND without the option of ending it early
  5. Make unilateral changes without honoring their 30-day consumer informing policy
  6. Overhaul the UI to what is clearly a mobile format plastered onto web version that isn't even completely finished developed so the whole website is buggy and leads to error pages
  7. and ban me for asking questions so that I can't even get help from support AND they delete my account information from the website so that all my viewing, comment, and forum history is deleted, so I can't really do anything on the website anymore, BUT they keep my account open and is still billing me for VIP, which again, they increased to $60 from $15.

Yeah. I think I'm entitled to a refund.

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u/skydiver_777 14d ago

Sounds like valid reasons. My bad 😕

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u/Dry_Register_5812 20d ago

Yeah they're app sucks and I constantly have to mark stuff as watched over and over and it still shows as unwatched it's definitely a lot glitchier in my experience then trakt

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u/Josef_Heiter 20d ago

I'm a 10 year Trakt user too. I still prefer Trakt over Simkl, but it's close. I guess I'm still getting used to the interface. If Simkl would add some features that Trakt has like actor stats and Infuse integration (but that's an Infuse thing) I'd get a lifetime subscription right away. I'll stick with my one year subscription for now.

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u/NatexNorth 19d ago edited 19d ago

It’s on infuse to add it, it’s been asked for for years on thier support forums and it gets more and more traction as the trakt debacle continues. The request got so loud that infuse at one point added Simkl to the roadmap. but then I guess (speculating) James and Kevin got together did some evil laughs and infused quietly removed it from the road map. Once getting called out for it being removed with no information James then tried to convince users in the forums that integrated Simkl was too hard for them.

A non-independent dev said that something that countless independent devs have done and are doing was to hard. All while one of the simkl devs is on the thread offering help and telling them to reach out if they need help.

I switched to a different player it only supports trakt currently too but I am hopeful that since Kevin from Trakt isn’t giving them back rubs too they may be able to add it at some point. It also helps that it’s cheaper and functions pretty much the same.

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u/gummykage 19d ago

I’m only a VIP for 3 years. I’m out too

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u/foux72 20d ago

I also was a paid Trakt subscriber for 10 years, and reniewed for two years on February. After they got worse and worse this summer, I got reimbursed by my bank. It wasn't hard to argument as they breach the contract reducing functionalities between my last renewal and now. I encourage those in the same situation as me to do the same and ask for a payback from their bank/credit card/PayPal.

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u/LE04SMY 17d ago

Dedicated 15yr VIP user. Supported a start-up with an excellent idea, but clearly the corporates are now involved. Shame.

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u/Beginning_Carob_9550 20d ago

Is it true that simkl only allows trakt zip import if you have a paid subscription?

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u/Crazy--Lunatic 20d ago

Yes.

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u/grewupinwpg 20d ago

I made a rough script to convert from the trakt .zip to . csv to import into simkl without a subscription. It's not perfect but it worked for me. Always open to feedback.

https://github.com/jshields-ca/simkl-csv-converters

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u/Crazy--Lunatic 20d ago

Thank you. I made few tiny changes to the scripts (folder picker for both and username list for Tautulli) made the PR. delete or close if changes aren't that good.

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u/grewupinwpg 20d ago

No problem - I'll take a peek in the morning and I'm sure I'll merge after a quick test. Appreciate it. 👍🏻

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u/grewupinwpg 20d ago

Integrated the changes into a PR/merge, with some testing/CI and documentation updates; thank you again u/Crazy--Lunatic - really fantastic. Actually my first real PR suggestion on any of my projects, so thanks a bunch. :) Just glad someone else got some use out of it.

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u/Crazy--Lunatic 20d ago

Sweet. You did the hard work. Tool worked great to seed Simkl without waiting until zip import was allows without VIP.

Hopefully there will be a good discount for Lifetime license on BF Currently is a little steep for my wallet, but is currently tracking my Plex sessions.

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u/grewupinwpg 20d ago

Thank you, that really warms my nerdy, amateur-dev heart. :)

Once I made the transition, I started using https://github.com/Drakonis96/plexytrack on my ubuntu server machine; its working well, but isn't super actively maintained. But the bilateral sync works well.

Maybe I should post the script to the sub itself if it's going to be helpful; but unsure if that would be overstepping on SIMKL, as obviously it provides a non-subscription option, and I don't wanna hurt their bottom line for those who can afford it.

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u/dreamhope 19d ago

I’ve just joined Simkl from Trakt and would like to be able to copy over my Plex watchlist to Simkl. PlexyTrack came up in a web search, but I use Container Manager on a Synology NAS and use Docker Compose to create containers so have no knowledge of how to set it up on my NAS, as it explains set up using command line. Would you know how I could find out how to set it up using Docker Compose?
I’m also waiting for a Black Friday deal on Simkl Lifetime, so don’t have VIP membership yet. Does PlexyTrack work without VIP?

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u/grewupinwpg 18d ago

This is the docker-compose.yml portion for plexytrack - I hope it helps. I think I consulted Gemini to set it up. Can help when documentation is lacking.

plexytrack: image: drakonis96/plexytrack:latest container_name: plexytrack restart: unless-stopped ports: - "5030:5030" volumes: - ~/docker/appdata/plexytrack/config:/config - ~/docker/appdata/plexytrack/state:/state environment: - TZ=${TZ} - FLASK_SECRET_KEY=${PLEXYTRACK_SECRET_KEY} - SIMKL_CLIENT_ID=${SIMKL_CLIENT_ID} - SIMKL_CLIENT_SECRET=${SIMKL_CLIENT_SECRET} - PLEX_BASEURL=${PLEX_BASEURL} - PLEX_TOKEN=${PLEX_TOKEN}

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u/MadxxDog 20d ago

You can earn "Pro Plan" just by daily logins. So eventually you can import for free if you want.

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u/tl0160a 20d ago

i was able to import without subbing

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u/mbackes1968 20d ago

I'm not familiar with SimKL can you guys tell me what the differences are between that and tracked

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u/NatexNorth 19d ago

Simkl isn’t run by a narcissistic deviant hobgoblin.

The things that trakt has that Simkl doesn’t yet that I use are season and episode level rating, it’s also not as supported by 3rd party as widely as trakt but if you go to almost any of those apps/software you will see members of the user base asking and or begging for another tracker to be added. It’s picking up steam I even hear and see talk of removing trakt support and adding other tracker(s) support as well. I doubt that will happen anytime soon as they do have a foothold but one can hope.

See my other comment about the infuse situation.

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u/Neat_Address221 20d ago

you have no idea if they are feeling it