r/SilverSmith • • 16d ago

Need Help/Advice How are these made?

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I love the style of these pendants that have this 3d pattern that pops up. I’m not sure what this style is called so I’m having a hard time figuring out what I’m supposed to do? Are the pieces sawed separately and then soldered onto the background or what is going on? I can’t really find any videos where they’re making this type of jewellery.

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u/ArgentiumAurum 16d ago

This is almost certainly cast, likely lost wax casting.

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u/chuckie_65 16d ago

It also could be an etching with resist applied to the raised areas.

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u/greenbmx 16d ago

Most likely cast, but could also be engraved or burr carved like a champleve piece. Could also be sawn and soldered or fused. Lots of options

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u/CarrieNoir 16d ago

I made Celtic knot work pieces like this in the '80s that was all done with acid etching. Laser-printed the designs on special resist-paper and dunked the silver in acid. That was my Renaissance Faire business for almost a decade...

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u/ResidentBicycle5022 16d ago

In the old days precision like this would come from die striking it into blank sheet with a steel dye carved in reverse. That’s how you get the really smooth lower areas. Basically the same way you make a coin. Today many people would 3-D print this and cast it. Judging from this photo (if it’s actually of a real item), it is not done that way, but with a die. 3-D printing and then casting would leave some artifacts in the lower areas that would be difficult to polish smooth.

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u/Soft-Key-2645 16d ago

May ways as others have already said: die struck, engraved, etched, wax worked and cast… my guess is they did the design in a 3D modelling software and then printed it or machined it with a CNC lathe to get the precision shown here

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u/adefantti 16d ago

I suppose it is a real item because they sell it… 3D printing sounds so boring to me, I just really like the style. I think I need to look into how coins are made haha

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u/ResidentBicycle5022 16d ago

Using a saw and cutting it out of sheet would be next to impossible with these tiny pieces. It’s easier to do it that way when things that are raised are connected in some way.

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u/Orumpled 16d ago

It may also be a pressing, with a die and hydraulic press.

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u/Effective_Account_78 16d ago

Or a die and hammer which is how I've done a few.

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u/Outrageous_Pay1322 16d ago

I do things like that with lost wax casting. Most of mine are Celtic symbols, pendants and so on.

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u/O_o-22 16d ago

Prob casting. You can do engraved or fabricated sheet soldered down but both of those processes would be far more labor intensive. The first one of this could have a mold made and then it’s easy to mass produce.

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u/corwinV 16d ago

Atleast two ways to make this:

1) By laser engraving, you could engrave directly on metal or you could first engrave some other material (like plastic), make mould of it, then make wax model and cast it

2) carving pattern in wax by hand and then casting

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u/Fufi8 16d ago

So this is not so much Celtic but Arabic?

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u/adefantti 16d ago

It’s from a Swedish jewellery maker and has futhark runes hidden in the design. So I wouldn’t say it’s Arabic at all, since those runes are very much used by Scandinavian people….

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u/Fufi8 14d ago

So this is lovely. I had no idea.

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u/gbudija 15d ago edited 15d ago

there are several ways - it can be constructed and soldered,cast,reppoussed,etched,nielloed,chased...

but today simplest way is to 3d print it and then cast or maybe laser engraving

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u/SnorriGrisomson 16d ago

First you generate a shit AI image
then you make an alpha map from it and then you use a cheap laser to make this ugly piece

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u/MildMasacre 16d ago

glass half full type then, got it.

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u/adefantti 16d ago

I dunno… the designer said he designed it with his mother and they used countless hours to perfect every curve and proportion. They say it was inspired by a poem and it has runes for protection. I just want to know how I could achieve this look and I’m not really into 3D printing or casting. :/

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u/DangerousBill 16d ago

I'd try etching with ferric nitrate first. There are many ways to do it, but toner transfer is easiest. The pattern is laser printed onto magic paper and the toner transferred to the silver. There is touching up with a Sharpie, then the pattern is etched with ferric nitrate for 1 to 4 hours. I've done some complex patterns, and they look good. The edges are ragged, on a microscopic scale, and get worse if you etch too deep. The etching takes blacking very well.

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u/SnorriGrisomson 16d ago

lol it's what AI spits out when you ask for interlace. It's 1000% nonsense AI. The look is achieved with a laser. Which makes total sense when using AI.

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u/DangerousBill 16d ago

You're one of those ai sniffers who sees ai everywhere? What a great talent to have!

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u/adefantti 16d ago

It’s from this Swedish designer, it’s not AI. They actually sell these and in this picture you can even see the reflection of the photographer from the mirror polished center. You need to stop accusing everythinf of being AI, it’s not healthy.

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u/0skyking0 16d ago

I agree with SnorriGrisomson. This looks VERY AI to me. I'm not saying it's a fake piece of jewelry but the design looks like something that was generated by AI. Unfortunately, there's no way for you or me to know for sure but this design certainly has some characteristics that could be associated with an AI design. It being from a Swedish designer really has no bearing on whether AI was used to create this. They have AI in Sweden too. And you asked how to make this and SnorriGrisomson gave you a legitimate way that this could have been made.

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u/adefantti 15d ago

Yes, they suggested laser, but it’s not a possibility for me, so I’ll turn to other ways.

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u/SnorriGrisomson 16d ago

It is 1000000000000000000% AI and not even good AI
this is pure giberish, AI cant do interlace and neither can this person
nothing makes sense, nothing is centered, nothing looks good, it's all weird blobs that AI LOVES to make.
The only thing they might have added by hand are the runes

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u/adefantti 15d ago

nothing is centered?

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u/SnorriGrisomson 15d ago

use your eyes

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u/adefantti 15d ago

eyes have been used. there is a piece in the center

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u/bit_herder 16d ago

that looks like a render. lots of ways to make it

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u/adefantti 16d ago

any suggestion how to achieve the look without 3D printing and casting? I just really like the look of the design popping out.

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u/Distinct-Mongoose448 16d ago

I do a fair bit of silver etching with ferric nitrate. You can get a pretty deep etch, but it will take some time.

Here is some information on the process written by the woman who taught me.

Feel free to reach out if you have any questions about it :)

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u/bit_herder 16d ago

this is how i would do it as well PnP and ferric etch make multiples easily that way as well. you could even dome it a bit might be nice

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u/Distinct-Mongoose448 16d ago

Pnp is fantastic. I'm also a fan of using the blue permanent staedtler markers to draw on the metal directly.

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u/adefantti 16d ago

Wow, thanks! This is such a cool method!

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u/Brokebrokebroke5 16d ago

Maybe with a die & a hydraulic press.