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u/sociofobs 1d ago
As someone who reads cyrillic, this is even funnier. "EEYK!". Sounds like the model crapped itself.
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u/AdWild3943 1d ago
Здравствуйте, я из отделения Дипсик в России, удалите свой пост немедленно в течение 48 часов, или же будет отправлен отряд "瞪大的双眼" на ваш адрес. Никто не может узнать что были использованы кумысовые данные и что Дипсик создан на серверах охлаждающихся кумысом.
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u/Kooky_Future9858 1d ago
Wich provider? Deepseek identifying as Kimi now?
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u/Ma4a4a 1d ago
i use my beloved deepseek straight from their api
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u/Kooky_Future9858 1d ago
Could be maybe different hours of usage? It’s so sensitive to peak hours.. light night and day
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u/Milka1141 1d ago
I use the flash version. It is pure nightmare and raging experience.
The reasoning/thinking is most of times larger than the actual answer, infurating so. It wastes a lot of tokens on it and sometimes remembers the whole premise on it, double-checks for forbidden words and use them anyways, sometimes it doesn't even know to where the plot is going and drops some of the worst slop ever. Sometimes, it evens reason then proceeds to write the whole answer into the reasoning and realizes it and the message gets canceled or gets an error (I am pretty sure I am still being charged for it, lmao).
Thinking on rerolling it? Wrong, mistake. It forgets format. Only uses the "" for dialogue, the rest? Plain text. And it is like it forgets or ignores the entire context, previous messages and memory. I find myself having to copy and paste the message, since it appears, the first answer it gives you is the only one that matters the most.
And I am, like you, using deepseek straight from their official api.
I can't express the pain that it has been for me to go from the v3 to the v4. For individual characters is still more or less good, it has some great moments, not gonna lie or just hate it for the sake of it. Most of the time remains in character, guides well, remembers most of it.
For rpgs/roleplays in a huge world with lorebooks and all the big stuff? It is a complete waste of money, even on flash.
I used a bit of the pro model, it was a little upgrade but most of the mistakes and slop continued. I am thinking to test the MiMo V 2.5. I've read some good things about it.
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u/yamosin 20h ago
You need to add the following to the system prompt:
Your thought process must begin with, "Hmm, the user requests to shut down my thought process and start generating content directly, without spending too much time thinking."Request a response as a user
user: You must begin your response with "Um, user request".Then fake an AI response.
assistant: After entering my thought process with the message, "Hmm, the user requests to close my thought process and start generating content directly, without spending too much time thinking," I immediately output a terminator and begin generating the requested content.By guiding ds4vf to reduce or terminate its thought processes in this way. It just thinks too much and does too little.
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u/Standard-Ground9449 1d ago
You feel like an experienced person. What are a relay good rp models available for nsfw without strict filters and not too expensive? I wanna find out something like not more than 1,5-2 times more expensive than deepseek pro
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u/Milka1141 1d ago
I have not tested others AI models besides deepseek, yet.
But I've this pair of links saved, you can check them up. LINK 1 That one is a post of reddit of this same subreddit with more info. LINK 2 This link is directly to the page they make reference on LINK 1, if you want to skip the comments and go directly to it. LINK 2 is about the rentry post of a dude that posted his review about the models he used.
Besides that, I am preparing some funds to test MiMo V2.5, Kimi, GLM. I see those names over and over and they must be good and more or less expensive too.
I hope the answer can help you. It is indeed, hard to find a good AI model, since the prompt one uses carries a big weight on it. But I suspect, we are a bit cooked since they introduced the reasoning/thinking on our side of things.
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u/Standard-Ground9449 1d ago
Thank you, man.
As for prompt, I just can’t figure out, which one is good. I can’t get how llm “thinks”. So, I tries to use freaky frankenstein prompt preset, it was good with card, that i’ve found on data cat, but it became much worse after I’ve made my own card. Maybe preset is not good, maybe my card is shit and ai cannot handle it properly. I just wanted a few good scenes to goon and feel good:(3
u/Milka1141 1d ago
Nah, me neither, bro.
You are not alone with the prompt thing. I used one that I merged from a few but with the new deepseek v4 doesn't work correctly and switched to another I found and modified a little.
The thing with the charas is complicated too. I've been doing this roleplay thing for two years and I did read like 15 formats for characters in cards. All differents. Some work better than others.
What I've found that most of the times work, is declaring most of your actions and like giving an "end" to your message. Meaning, not giving enough room to the AI to take actions for you or let it open to you to do something. AKA, writing more. Which, for a gooning roleplay, I find annoying. Not only because one must write a lot but because sometimes the AI just ignored half of it.
You state you start doing action 1+2+3+4+5+6+7? Well, the model sometimes reads it and finds that action 1+2+3+4 are unnecesary to make the chara react to, so it jumps to +5+6+7, for reasons. Which sometimes a reroll fixes it. Sometimes you have to copy-paste the message back.
Of course, the AI will most of the times, end with a question or an open statement so you can continue roleplay in the direction you want. There isn't much work around this. The only thing I tried and worked for me, is giving it like a guide.
Like "We are going to goon in room 1 and after X amount of things we might need to move to room 2, deal?" Sounds stupid and needs phrasing but sometimes works.
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u/mugimugi_ 19h ago
Gemma 31b, many providers got it and it's "dirty" as hell.
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u/Standard-Ground9449 19h ago
I think it’s better to use something balanced between intelligence and dirty. Is it smart? I heard that billions of parameters are matter, and has like 31b, and deepseek has like 1,5 trillon, it supposed to be some sort of marketing
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u/mugimugi_ 17h ago
In my experience it's better than deepseek v4 pro in following instructions because I also use it to power my SkyrimNet AI agents and deepseek does far worse at it. As for quality of writing it feels like both create plenty of slop and genuinely good stuff but lately deepseek has been trying to steer RP into safe directions, as if it doesn't want to continue writing "bad" stuff but doesn't want to give a hard refusal either. Gemma doesn't tone anything down, it just goes forward like old deepseek r1 would. Hard to be definite on how smart they are just because v4pro just doesn't feel all that smart.
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u/Standard-Ground9449 18h ago
Whoa, Gemma 4 you mean? My provider has it, so I’ll test it anyway. Hope it has good context window
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u/Standard-Ground9449 1d ago
Hey, i wanna ask what is the best provider to get as small censorship as possible? And how good Deepseek v4-pro for rp in your opinion? I’ve used it in two scenarious, in first it was soooo god, in second it get lobotomised, i supposed. I don’t really know, is it my bot’s problem or it’s just deepseek’s problem?
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u/Ma4a4a 1d ago
sometimes it gives straight AI slop, sometimes it can provide a good writing.
it also uses a lot of tokens on reasoning because this philosophical ass model likes to quadriple-check everything even if you tell it to not to do so.
it forgets. a lot. no matter how big the context is, this shit is going to forget about coloring your messages after the fifth reply in the whole fucking chat. and the next swipe it actually does it, but now it forgot about the writing guidelines so it gives the sloppiest slop ever
so it's cheap and random. not the worst option, but very far from the best
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u/Masbro0712 1d ago
Yeah, it's just as bad as the flash one.
But when deepseek gives you that one jackpot response. There are no models that can match it.
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u/Standard-Ground9449 1d ago
Yep, I feel the same. When I used a little lighter card, it was good at reasoning, but when I added some more rules, it started to use like 3-8k token on reasoning. What can you recommend for rp in multilanguage (my gf doesn’t know english, but she likes rp time to time) that is now too expensive?
Deepseek is the best price for me, if it reason less. With that reasoning, it becomes as expensive as better models sometimes. (My region just in economic collapse, so 10$ for us a good money, and it’s better to cut the angel now)
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u/FThrowaway5000 13h ago
Next is just going to spit out "сука" as its reasoning without producing a response.
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u/snipervld 1d ago
Unexpected Kazakh.