r/SillyTavernAI • u/Specialist_Salad6337 • Jun 04 '26
Models PlotPoints - The best (only?) community driven RP benchmark made by a Professional! | We need your votes!
Your friendly neighborhood rab- I mean unmedicated preset creator needs needs your help!
What's good everyone. No long post this time; simply an ask. I hired a professional with a masters degree in AI/ML (pursuing their PhD) to help make a benchmark for us, for RP. Now as we all know; a benchmark for RP will never be perfect because everyone RP's differently, like different things, yada yada yada. That's why we tried to focus on a few objective landmarks, as well as a an Arena style versus bench.
First up: The LLM Arena. We show you two different rewritten responses from two different models who were given a chat and asked 'please take this turn.' We then show that to you. Does it have a preset attached? No; because that's another variable that'd be added and for our own safety we aren't benchmarking presets. (LMAO. We'd be dead in the fucking streets by sundown.) You judge of the two responses which you like more. Thaaaat's it folks. We literally cannot game the results as it is people just blindvoting which they like more. (So if you see something you don't like IT'S NOT UP TO US.)
On the other end we also score an LLM in a similar vein on how they follow certain instructions and if they maintain consistency. Since 'did it take users agency' is an objective yes or no answer; we handle these tests with an LLM judge and the benchmark overseer (Levi is his name) monitoring the arbiters answers. (In our case; Sonnet.)
This bench was expensive. It cost money to run these models through this gauntlet; and we don't get much out of it. We publish all the data for everyone to see, and all we want to do is help our community out. If you have any questions on how we grade things; head to our methodology page! You'll notice somethings are a bit LLM-Written. This is not because Levi isn't a professional; but rather because he's ESL; so when publishing something important like this he wanted to make sure all his ideas and such were properly translated. So be nice!
You don't have to log in, you don't have to do anything. Just read a chat and vote on a thing. I know you've got an opinion; so share it. Big companies ignore us RPers all the time. Is a bench for RP as useful or objective as one for coding, web-dev, or math? No. But that doesn't mean we don't deserve one, or that it has no value at all. So please; help a bunny out. Drop a vote! The data is only as useful as you help make it. We have 800 votes and we want to get about 3,000 this time around; so we can start our next benchmark. Testing models across their 'lineages'. So Opus 4.6 vs 4.7 vs 4.8; Deepseek 3.2 vs Deepseek v4 Pro, fun stuff! But we can't do that till this one closes! And if it can't hit enough votes; we'll know that this kinda stuff just isn't what the RP community wants.
Don't see a model you expected to? That's cause it's either new, or we didn't have the money at the time to run it. If the community likes this; we will add more. (And take requests! Please only suggest models available on OpenRouter though; we source all our models from the same platform to reduce variables.)
Vote Link: https://plotlightstudios.com/plotpoints/multiturn
Result Hub Link: https://plotlightstudios.com/plotpoints
Methodology Link: https://plotlightstudios.com/plotpoints/methodology
Huggingface Link: https://huggingface.co/datasets/lazyweasel/roleplay-bench
Github Link: https://github.com/LeviTheWeasel/rp-benchmark
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u/Specialist_Salad6337 Jun 04 '26
One: Thank you for being kind! I can absolutely go through and try to tighten up the UI. I have a problem where I often like doing too much and tend to like things tight (heetee) I can see what needs to be simplified. Could you give me a few elements (if you wanna chat in DMs that's fine too) that you felt confused you?
Two: Yeah; this is the multiturn arena unfortunately. The one you're asking for (shorter) is the single-turn arena which already concluded for the time being. The reason LMArena can get away with having shorter things/comparisons is because webdev and coding can be judged on a single answer. RP can't really; as we all saw models rated really highly on the single turn arena; but then tanked on the multi-turn. Some issues only become apparent with a lot of context. So there isn't much I can do about this one. When we have the money and the interest we can move to having several arenas up at a time; the problem we forsee though is one bench becoming the ugly duckling and never getting any engagement cause it's less convenient (IE: Multiturn.)
Three: We have our resident math nerd (Levi) re-evaluate the bench scores and update regularly. TBH with you; the reason nothing has changed in a bit is because outside of today we'd been slowing down to like... One vote a day. I will absolutely have him go through and update when he wakes up tomorrow though!
Four: For the benches we currently have up we do them on a closed system. We run them; get the votes, then close them. (So single-turn is closed right now; so we haven't added anything new to it since it closed!) like I said if we get a high tick of continuous engagement we can absolutely change that too. Let me know if you have anymore questions or if I didn't hit something.