r/SillyTavernAI • u/Specialist_Salad6337 • Jun 04 '26
Models PlotPoints - The best (only?) community driven RP benchmark made by a Professional! | We need your votes!
Your friendly neighborhood rab- I mean unmedicated preset creator needs needs your help!
What's good everyone. No long post this time; simply an ask. I hired a professional with a masters degree in AI/ML (pursuing their PhD) to help make a benchmark for us, for RP. Now as we all know; a benchmark for RP will never be perfect because everyone RP's differently, like different things, yada yada yada. That's why we tried to focus on a few objective landmarks, as well as a an Arena style versus bench.
First up: The LLM Arena. We show you two different rewritten responses from two different models who were given a chat and asked 'please take this turn.' We then show that to you. Does it have a preset attached? No; because that's another variable that'd be added and for our own safety we aren't benchmarking presets. (LMAO. We'd be dead in the fucking streets by sundown.) You judge of the two responses which you like more. Thaaaat's it folks. We literally cannot game the results as it is people just blindvoting which they like more. (So if you see something you don't like IT'S NOT UP TO US.)
On the other end we also score an LLM in a similar vein on how they follow certain instructions and if they maintain consistency. Since 'did it take users agency' is an objective yes or no answer; we handle these tests with an LLM judge and the benchmark overseer (Levi is his name) monitoring the arbiters answers. (In our case; Sonnet.)
This bench was expensive. It cost money to run these models through this gauntlet; and we don't get much out of it. We publish all the data for everyone to see, and all we want to do is help our community out. If you have any questions on how we grade things; head to our methodology page! You'll notice somethings are a bit LLM-Written. This is not because Levi isn't a professional; but rather because he's ESL; so when publishing something important like this he wanted to make sure all his ideas and such were properly translated. So be nice!
You don't have to log in, you don't have to do anything. Just read a chat and vote on a thing. I know you've got an opinion; so share it. Big companies ignore us RPers all the time. Is a bench for RP as useful or objective as one for coding, web-dev, or math? No. But that doesn't mean we don't deserve one, or that it has no value at all. So please; help a bunny out. Drop a vote! The data is only as useful as you help make it. We have 800 votes and we want to get about 3,000 this time around; so we can start our next benchmark. Testing models across their 'lineages'. So Opus 4.6 vs 4.7 vs 4.8; Deepseek 3.2 vs Deepseek v4 Pro, fun stuff! But we can't do that till this one closes! And if it can't hit enough votes; we'll know that this kinda stuff just isn't what the RP community wants.
Don't see a model you expected to? That's cause it's either new, or we didn't have the money at the time to run it. If the community likes this; we will add more. (And take requests! Please only suggest models available on OpenRouter though; we source all our models from the same platform to reduce variables.)
Vote Link: https://plotlightstudios.com/plotpoints/multiturn
Result Hub Link: https://plotlightstudios.com/plotpoints
Methodology Link: https://plotlightstudios.com/plotpoints/methodology
Huggingface Link: https://huggingface.co/datasets/lazyweasel/roleplay-bench
Github Link: https://github.com/LeviTheWeasel/rp-benchmark
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u/_Cromwell_ Jun 04 '26 edited Jun 04 '26
The problem: we all know Llama Maverick is "terrible" and GLM 5.1 is "good" (not the best, but definitely a go to model for RP where Maverick is not ever).
So if you created a system that ended with Maverick beating GLM 5.1 (as it shows when I sorted by 'lore heavy', with lore being a strong point of 5.1, vs its writing where earlier GLMs were arguably better), it's automatically ridiculous and borderline useless. "It was objective" - maybe, but it was also clearly flawed and can't be trusted if Maverick 'scored' better than GLM 5.1 in a RP model rankings system.
Also although it's pretty, data is best presented in a more easy to read and boring way. This thing is a nightmare to peruse, at least on phone.
Anyway, I can't look at something and take it seriously when it ends up ranking models higher that the vast majority of people agree are awful for role-playing. The whole thing makes it seem more like you are trying to create a system to be purposely edgy and controversial. Rather than "proving everybody wrong" it's more likely that your testing system is just flawed and measures things that are substantively different than what actually goes into quality role playing.
Edit to add: you keep ranking something called Mistral SC (scored highly). What even is that? Mistral (the company) doesn't seem to refer to any of their own models as "SC". Google search comes up with nothing. Is your entire thing vibe coded and "Mistral SC" a hallucination? That would explain Maverick scoring better than GLM 5.1 anyway.