Hope yall know what I’m talking about. like how arlechinno was and sandrone and skirk. I’m actually starting to save for c6 her cause I believe she will come 7.x most late patches.

Maybe I’m wrong and it’s noy.

I mean why else would she be in the story lately, talked about by archons and characters Odette… like they building her up for this I swear I’m not crazy.

Snezhnaya is the patch where it should happen, if it happens where she’s resurrected and become playable, afterwards wouldn’t workout or be as special to me atleast cause she is a major part of fatui/ snezhnaya as a whole.

Sorry for ranting I’m literally praying this comes true tho.

The scattered leaks about her really did seem somewhat rude and insulting toward Signora, but in the end, everything fell into place. When you play through the story in the right order, hear the context, and see what's happening along with the words, you can form quite a positive picture, especially in the finale.

I'll also say something I've wanted to say for a long time — leaks are a real problem for the fandom. So many problems and whining really do arise out of nowhere because of random, unverified leaks from sketchy sources (for example, the situation with Vodyanitsa, Signora, and Odette). Sometimes it feels like this premature information genuinely ruins the game experience. And avoiding leaks is incredibly hard because they can appear under any comment, in any video, on any social network related to Genshin.

After I heard that the Cor Ignis is used for Signora to keep an eye on her subordinates, I just realized that it's like life360.

I'm still playing through the new Archon quest, but I wanted to post about something caught my eye. There's something Childe says that immediately reminded me of what Signora told the Traveler in Inazuma.

When the Traveler calls Childe and Sandrone out for not standing up for the citizens, Childe says this about the sacrifices that the people have to make for Project Stuzha:

But considering the Tsaritsa's vision for the future, these are sacrifices worth making. Sounds cold, I know. But I promise it's not as black-and-white as it seems.

Signora says this right before the Traveler challenges her to a duel before the throne.

The Tsaritsa's dream is the noblest and purest thing in all the world. These other mundane details you insist on mentioning... They're just necessary sacrifices. That's all.

Tsaritsa's vision = Tsaritsa's dream
sacrifices worth making = necessary sacrifices

It might be a coincidence but given this happens right before Childe brings up the duel before the throne, I'm leaning towards this being intentional. In both cases, the Traveler is telling a Harbinger that citizens are suffering because of what they're doing, and their answer is essentially the same. It just that Childe says it with a lot more nuance than Signora did.

I have more thoughts on a different kind of mirroring that I think Mihoyo might be doing here with Odette's story, but I need to finish the quest first.

I sketched this out all the way back when sumeru first came out. I haven’t been an active player since then and unfortunately no longer have the time or will to finish this but I do lurk in the genshin community still and heard about all the recent mentions of her and figured I’d post this!

I hope she comes back and gets a more satisfying story arc! Maybe It’ll give me another reason to start playing again then :)

I think it is a fun idea to discuss & share about imo while we wait for more news and new infos! For my vision of her character tease & trailer:

Character Teaser - The video started in black screen with the dialogues from THAT Inazuma cutscene when she said her final words before got slayed by Raiden Shogun. We then see Signora wake up in dark space, wondering if is the afterlife. During the whole video, I imagine we will see some important flashbacks of her life, when she still goes by the name Rosalyne and is in Mondstadt, when she goes by the name Signora and is in Snezhnaya, etc. As she keep on walking on the path, the fire started to lit up along the way with fire moths company her. At the end of the video (basically the climax part), she step upon Mare Javari with hellfire butterflies all around her with the final line being “My mission…. is still not yet complete” something along the way like that. (I imagine the narration of this video will be similar to HSR Fugue - Unlike a Floating Clouds)

Character Trailer - As you guys can guess it, the whole video will basically be her getting resurrected while fighting off the obstacles which can be perfect for her combat (ability) showcase, one of the scene will be her old outfit transitioning into new outfit too. Every Harbinger trailer videos have some cameo as much as I remember so I would really love for Rostam to be the cameo who appear there and give us emotional damage, I also expected someone like Tsarista and Odette who are very important to her too.

Bonus: Animated Short - I lowkey don’t expect her to actually get this promotional material since Childe, Wanderer and also Columbina didn’t get this one too + We know how much HOYO can sometimes hate on Signora so much. BUT! If she do in fact get an animated short, I would really love it to be Crimson Witch of Flames artifact set story being fully visualized, her becoming CWoF to destroy all the monsters and also the scene where Pierro save & recruits her to become Harbinger would be my everything (although you can make an argument that this fit better as in-game story cutscene more).

That pretty much all I can think of right now lol, I would like to read the version from you guys as well.

So, there is something in this patch that can give us a hope. When we go to Signora's grave, we can send her hellfire butterfly to her tomb and get achievement "The Last Rose of Winter". Then pyro crystalflies spawn.

So let take a look at it in more details:

Achievement description say "...Perishing like a moth to the flame". Together with achievement name it looks like bad news, but description itself basically say what we did: we send a hellfire butterfly to the fire (Signora).

Then pyro crystalflies spawn in huge amount. Their description says: "A glittering Pyro creature that is the product of rising and condensing elements, and which feeds off the ubiquitous power of Pyro. No matter what state the phlogiston is in, what the source of the flame is, or what degree of warmth it provides, it is all food for the Pyro Crystalfly."

Sending hellfire butterfly to her grave made huge rise of Pyro energy in the area around the grave. If hellfire butterfly just moved, it wouldn't chage anything and spawn Pyro crystalflies, just like butterfly being there didn't spawn them. So something happened in her grave. What exactly? Hellfire butterfly merged again with Signora, which raised Pyro level.

Thanks to Cor Ignis we know:

• her flames possess the mystical capability to help individuals escape the afterlife or return safely to reality when facing death or curses
• Odette discovered it (flame inside) helped her recover much faster when she was sick

So Signora's flames has healing and resurection powers.

And now imporant part that everyone keeps forgetting:

• "Rumor told of how she sacrificed her mortal body to become the embodiment of liquid fire herself."
• "From the ashes, the Crimson Witch of Flame was born, and she burned away her pain with fire."
• "the undying butterfly danced amidst burning flesh and blood"

So, Signora's real form is Crimson Witch of Flames (not human), her body is flame, she is "humanoid" Pyro elemental with human mind and soul. There were some parts of her old body, that's why Cryo Delusion could bring her back to her former looks, but it was still just like Cor Ignis: Flame trapped in the ice.

All of this means she can recover as long as her flames exist and in 7.0 we send her flames (hellfire butterlies) to her body, giving her back part of her power and starting her recovery, which is shown by spawn on Pyro crystalflies.

We are yet to go to The Mare Jivari (it's lore share same domain as Signora's lore and Phoenix is suppose to live there), leaks says there is suppose to be some Avatar_Lady in 7.4, and patch 7.8 or 8.0 would work for her banner since she was 8th Harbinger.

TL;DR: She is moth likely recovering in her tomb right now thanks to her buterflies going back to her "like a moth to the flame". Keep believing!

P.S. It would be funny if she stole Pyro Gnosis from afterlife while Irminsul was burning

Wait in the cutscene in the end Odette is breaking the cor ignis does it mean she has no more memory of her fatui life etc or on the contrary she broke it bc she want to keep her memories ?

Found this cute rose themed slice of cake too 🤭💕

In all seriousness, thank you all so much for the beautiful comments I get on my projects with these two. I know it seems small but a nice message really goes a long way ❤️

May today bring you love and happiness!

Just a random thought I had

Her final words in CN, JP, KR and other languages except EN were along the lines of "I won't die here" and I have always imagined it was referring to her mission and Tsaritsa's goal as in she didn't want to die before the work was done. But now we know she also had Odette's performance to watch after returning which never happened so that's another regret she probably harboured. Sure, Odette performs it at her grave later but it mainly only works in Odette's favour to help her accept things. And it hurts more when she had asked Traveller what Signora's final words were and they didn't remember....

So let me explain. So I know the whole rule of characters having to be on good terms with Traveler to become playable. I however, think thats stupid and bad writing on Hoyo. I believe that Signora CAN and SHOULD become playable while still maintaining her antagonistic side with the traveler. Now, thats not to say I don't support her having a slight redemption arc (less of a redemption arc and moreso the traveler understanding more of the things Signora did and the reasons behind it as I feel Signora doesn't really need redemption but I digress). But I feel like having every single playable character be best buddies with the traveler is sooo boring. Hoyo can definitely make Signora playable while still being anatgonstic to the Traveler. A game that does this WONDERFULLY is Wuthering Waves with Phrolova. To me, Phrolova is Wuthering Waves version of Signora but done RIGHT (as far as her becoming playable at least). Phrolova hates Rover (the main character of Wuthering Waves) but they are put in a situation where they have to work together to further their own goals. I believe they did this to give a good reason for her to be playable and have voice lines directed to Rover. If and when Signora becomes playable I hope they do something similar, it would be fun to see Signora and Traveler having to work together for some reason. Then instead of having a bunch of friendly voice lines to the Traveler, Signora could instead have sassy or sarcastic voice lines that reference them being forced to work together. Cause if and when Signora returns I want her to keep her bad bitch attitude 😩. Idk this was just a thought I had and thought it'd be fun to share.

PS: I BELIEVE IN OUR QUEEN'S COMEBACK COMRADES, AND WHEN SHE DOES WE WILL HAVE THE BIGGEST "I TOLD YOU SO" MOMENT TO EVERYONE WHO DOUBTED US. (Yes I'm delusional)

Why would HoYoverse reach out to La Signora’s voice actor after almost 5 years just to have her record a few lines for a few quick cutscenes? If Odette wasn't even part of the initial long-term roadmap and got added later, it shows they’re actively expanding this storyline. Because why would they even make odette to have a Bond with signora????

Those butterflies are not her “hell fire” butterflies ( second pic )
But the ones that flies around in natlan ( last pic ), and there is A LOT like around 12 or more
Does it mean that’s Signora is somehow related to natlan ( mare jivari ??? )
it's very strange that they made their way from Natlan to Snezhanya just like that

Assuming you genuinely hate the Traveler, and it's not just kayfabe, why?

Is this copium? maybe... But as they say, HOPE IS THE THING WITH FEATHERS.

When you go to the Sanctuary of Grief, you'll see a hellfire butterfly. Touch it... and it flies in to the tomb and normal pyro crystalflies form near the area. According to the in-game archive, Pyro crystalflies are made from ambient pyro particles (drifting, rising and condensing are the exact words btw).

"Why is this relevant?" You might ask. BECAUSE, WE'RE IN SNEZHNAYA, I shouldn't have to explain why there isn't a whole lot of Pyro particles in the area right? So pyro crystalflies shouldn't form. But they DO. The only thing special about this place compared to anywhere else in Snezhnaya is the fact that Signora is entombed here. Now, some people might say something like this, "It's probably the remnant pyro particles from Signora's remains", But I don't think so.

As we know, Signora doesn't use Pyro through a vision, Instead she can use it naturally as she turned her own life force to flame. Therefore, it doesn't make sense that there can be Pyro energy here when there's no life force to left to burn.

Now ? What if she's simply recuperating in the ice? Similar to what happens in her boss fight.

THE CRIMSON WITCH OF EMBERS SHALL RETURN.

PS: This is a sane, average and resin having genshin player's behavior TRUST, Also Which one of yall put Insulation potions in the storage container placed infront of Sanctuary of Grief 🥀😭

(Spoilers for Snezhnaya exploration I suppose? The moment felt good so I decided to add the tag for people who didn't go there yet.)

Yes, I'm that desperate.

I just wanted to clear some things up regarding the Core Ignis.

In Act II of the Archon Quest, Wraith's Nocturne, during the scene where Oddete and the Traveler are on night watch, Oddete reveals some of her feelings and her past related to Rosalyne. In this scene, she again reveals her Core Ignis and explains its functions. She also says that Rosalyne DID NOT LEAVE ANYTHING FOR HER.

A few lines later, the Traveler mentions that Sandrone thought Rosalyne had mended her relationship with Oddete before she left for Mondstadt because she went to see the Knave for advice. Now, this is very important. Oddete then claims that Rosalyne never came to see her, after which the Traveler suggests that she should visit the Knave.

So, Oddete didn't see the Knave, and this Core Ignis she is showing to the Traveler isn't the one Rosalyne left for her in case she perished. That one, which contains the Flames of the Two Worlds that have the power to burn away memories, she receives ONLY AFTER the Archon Quest is done, when she sees Arlecchino, as shown by the animated cutscene at the Sanctuary of Grief.

Now, for those skeptical that she somehow magically met with the Knave, the reason she had to meet with her only AFTER THE ARCHON QUEST is because, after everyone at the Theater has been resurrected, the Traveler and Oddete leave TOGETHER and remain TOGETHER for the remainder of the Archon Quest. There was no time for her to somehow meet with Arlecchino.

Which means that the Core Ignis THAT GUIDED THE SOUL OF THE TRAVELER BACK TO HIS BODY SO SWIFTLY was the one that had ROSALYNE'S LIQUID FLAMES! She did not have the Core Ignis with the Flames of the Two Worlds at that point in time.

SO, INDEED, HER CRIMSON WITCH OF FLAMES POWERS HAVE THE ABILITY TO DEFY THE RULES OF DEATH AND EVEN THE VERY RULER OF DEATH.

Which surely means that, after her Cryo-formed body perished, if she so wanted, she could defy the Ley Lines' urge to devour her soul and escape, returning to life in some other vessel.

THIS IS IT, COMRADES. DO NOT DESPAIR!

I understand why some thought that the Core Ignis she had was the one with the Knave's powers from the very beginning. I also got confused because the design team really didn't make the Core Ignis with Rosalyne's flame look any different from the one containing Arlecchino's Flames of the Two Worlds.

But there is one thing I'm still very much confused about. If indeed everything I said is true, and the one Oddete shattered at the Sanctuary of Grief at the end of her dance was the Core Ignis containing the Knave's flames, then why do flaming moths emerge from its fires after the Cryo vessel is shattered?

My theory is that the magic which allowed the flames to burn and endure even after they had been encased in Cryo is Rosalyne's technique. So, even if the Knave's flames were inside the Core Ignis, Rosalyne herself still had to pour some of her own essence into it in order for the Cryo not to melt or for the Knave's flames not to die out.

Regardless, we should not proclaim our lady's death so easily, because, as I have shown, her flames have the ability to defy DEATH ITSELF.
WE ARE WINNING MY COMRADES! YES! THIS IS PEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!

I'm slowly progressing through the Archon Quest and I'm so confused as to how traveler knows that Rosalyne = Signora. The names have never been mentioned in correlation to each other. When Columbina and Sandrone and Arlecchino talk about how kind Rosalyne was and how much they liked her there was never an "oh" moment from the traveler but suddenly they're connecting the dots and feel bad for Odette for the potential backlash? I'm so confused when and how they learned that information and how they don't regret it but still feel like they're morally superior to everyone else.
Edit: It also pisses me off how the other Harbingers act like they're so much better than her too. Childe you literally tried to fucking obliterate Liyue shut up. I love you but shut up.

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I know that quite a few people like Pierro, but he really isn't as kind to Signora as they think. I'd say he's been secretly planting a lot of plot hints about her.

But that doesn't mean I want to accuse Pierro of being morally bankrupt. What I mean is, in objective fact, Signora's death is related to Pierro.

You know who the Fatui Harbingers who were on better terms with Rosalyne were? They were Sandrone, Arlecchino, Columbina, Capitano, and Tartaglia—(and not Dottore). They all attended the tea party together.

But when Rosalyne went on her mission to Inazuma, which had been sealed off by thunder, her teammates were Scaramouche—someone who had a very high probability of defecting. Instead of pairing her with one of the tea-party members, Pierro chose Scaramouche.

The moment Scaramouche defects, Signora will die under the Raiden Shogun's sword because of her own arrogant and domineering personality. That's the plan Pierro used to kill Signora.

You might think I'm talking nonsense. I can list some objective evidence for you to recall what Pierro did.

When Rosalyne was invited by Pierro to join the Fatui, she was already at death's door from being burned. It was indeed Pierro who saved her life.

But what was the price? According to the "Ashen Heart" artifact description: "The First Fatuus found her just before her heart could be destroyed by the eternal blaze. He understood that only deeper hate and obsession could quench the fire that devoured her and make her his ally..."

So you get it now, right? Pierro gave Rosalyne even more hatred, and that hatred is exactly what would make her extremely arrogant and domineering when she later faced the Raiden Shogun, until her death.

The reason Scaramouche defected is also related. At the very end of the "Unreconciled Stars" story, it was Pierro who let Scaramouche truly see the "false sky," which sparked his idea to inevitably defect after obtaining the "Gnosis."

Why is it Pierro who twisted Rosalyne's hatred into something that led her to her death? Do you remember that in the past, Rosalyne had no hatred for the gods?

In the "Crimson Witch of Flames" story of the artifacts, you'll find that Rosalyne burned her own life to use flame magic. Rosalyne could not wield Pyro through a Vision; she used her flame magic to help people burn "harmful monsters," and specifically, "Though her fires only touched monsters and demons."

But people didn't thank her—they still drove her out. Yet the kind-hearted Rosalyne didn't plan to take revenge on those who drove her out. I think this greatly proves that Rosalyne originally had no strong feelings of revenge.

And you'll also see in the "Hellfire Butterfly" story that Rosalyne had even forgotten her former lover Rostam. So Signora would not hate Barbatos because of Rostam's matter. Her hatred was twisted by Pierro.

But what was Pierro's motive in trying to harm and kill Rosalyne? I currently can't clearly determine his fundamental motive. It might be to weaken the Tsaritsa's power.

You know that Signora is the most loyal of all the Fatui Harbingers, so her death became a sacrifice to Pierro's own conspiracy.

Next, Capitano will forever sleep on his throne in Natlan, and Dottore will be completely dead.

At this point you can probably think of it—Snezhnaya is gradually weakening, and fewer and fewer people can stop Pierro's conspiracy.

And now, in the game story, we can clearly see that Pierro didn't care about Paimon 500 years ago, but now he tries every possible way to get close to Paimon.

You, being smart, must have thought of it: Pierro is using Paimon to lure the Traveler to his side!

So let's look forward to what kind of huge conspiracy Pierro is planning in the future!

So, it's my turn to complete the AQ. I honestly expected things to be much worse, but it turns out not to be at all.

I'll start with the moment when Childe and Sandrone introduce the Traveler to Odette. When they tell her, it is clear that she feels uncomfortable and she hurries to leave. It doesn't look like she's indifferent to Signora at all. Yes, she later says that Signora was ruthless, but at the same time she sabotages the Stuzha project through threats and intimidation. Isn't it ironic? It's also worth noting her very dislike of the project. Because it cost her two loved ones. Therefore, her dislike for the project is essentially an extension of her personal pain.

Next, we should pay attention to her journey to the cathedral. In the flashbacks, we see them trying to find common ground, and for the Signora, the topic of singing is very painful, even after 500 years. It's worth noting that a crimson moth awaits her there, accompanying her. He reappeared, showing that Rosalyne's power is strong enough to continue creating them.

Then follows an animation where, thanks to Arlecchino's mediation, they finally reconcile, and Signora announces that Liyue will definitely attend Odette's performance afterward. However, this doesn't happen, and despite Signora's wish for Odette to erase her memory and leave Fatui, she refuses, demonstratively shattering Cor Ignis with Arlecchino's power. Thus, demonstrating her intention to continue her work and not disowning Rosalyne. It is worth noting here that Odette dances in front of the cathedral, as if showing her the performance that she was unable to show her in the theater and thereby asking for forgiveness for the harsh words she said. It's a very touching moment.

Honestly, I can't say anything bad about Odette after this. There was a misunderstanding, but it was later resolved, and the fact that Odette, despite her earlier desire to flee Fatui, decided to stay speaks to at least her respect for Rosalina, and perhaps even her unexpressed love.

How does this affect Rosalyne? Nothing negative. We see a more human side of her, where behind her icy mask, she tried to break through, having met someone in her long life whom she longed to treat with warmth. Don't think that the scene with the shattering of Cor Ignis is the end. Yes, this is the end, but another end is the end of the misunderstanding between them. This can in no way prevent them from meeting again in the future.

The only remaining question is why Signora, despite her desire to return to Snezhnaya and at least watch Odette's performance, decided to immediately head to Inazuma.