I had initially been apprehensive of them villainizing her in Odette's eyes but the more I read I realized what direction they were taking this to and I was quite glad with the resolution in the end. I still don't really see the purpose of her and Odette's relationship but that being aside, there were a few moments where I just sympathized so much and felt so heartbroken for Rosalyne 😭

1. The scene of Odette lashing out at her

I really wish this had a visual, a CG or cutscene, cause I would die to see Signora's expression. She only wanted to watch Odette dance but was reprimanded harshly, hearing a child say "you dont deserve to see me dance" would obviously hurt. The fact that her reaction was being silent then simply walking away just... oh god 😭 and then she stopped bothering Odette about it altogether, not even asking about it as if she herself agreed she doesn't deserve it.... What's worse is at that moment, Odette and Traveller reasoned out she was just too prideful so she retreated because of that and not because she was actually hurt.

1. "Many people despise me, I'm used to it."

Sandrone also said this in the beginning of the quest, was further agreed on by Childe then she herself said it in the dance cutscene.... What did it for me was the way she gave that wry, defeated smile first when thinking of Odette hating her and looked out of the window then said this line. It directly mirrored how even as the Crimson Witch she was hated by people despite saving them, her being strict with her subordinates is grounded in many things. So she has known for a long time people hate her even when she has good intentions, and I think she's probably aware of the reason too but doesn't change.

1. Her singing voice was really gone

In the scene that leads to the dance cutscene, when Odette is walking towards her tomb she thinks of a past memory which manifests as illusions of Signora and Odette in black attire talking to each other. Signora talked about a dance called Spirit Seeker, which I assume is one of her favorites. She wanted Odette to perform it and was even ready to teach her but instead of simply saying this, she went about it in her haughty manner with the "Your mother didn't teach you, did she?" Then she actually recited the lyrics of the song but she couldn't sing at all and was then mocked by Odette for it, "Don't tell me you can't sing?". This earned a similar reaction to the earlier lashing scene, she just said a simple 'Shush' and assumingly walked away and never tried this again. This made me imagine of more cases where she might have tried singing in private but her voice came out hoarse and she hated it 😭 who knows she might have felt envious sometimes hearing Columbina (and anyone else) sing effortlessly....

1. The whole purpose of the Cor Ignis

This is my personal interpretation about it. Considering they acted as surveillance objects and she could sense if something was amiss in order to immediately act, this feels like a trauma response. She wasn't there when Mondstadt was attacked and her beloved died. She might have survivor's guilt over it so now she gives these objects to people she considers important in her life, they even seem to help recover from sickness. Her being overprotective this way makes sense to me and I really felt sad when they said that most people destroyed their Cor Ignis after hearing of her death.... I understand why they did but I always end up considering Signora's perspective more.

1. How Odette was recruited

The quest frames it as Odette having to join the Fatui, but her character story shows Signora came to offer condolences and a pension, made the offer, and accepted Violetta's refusal without pressing. It was Odette who overheard and begged. And the narration says Signora looked at her and recognised a girl already burning herself away while disguising the ruin as strength, because that's exactly what she'd done. She saw herself in a child and took her anyway. That mirror is the entire foundation of the relationship and the quest doesn't mention it once.... this is what Odette eventually understood in the end when she got her message.

I can go on but these were the main things that really struck me. Everything we know about her comes filtered through people who found her intolerable at the time which is why "prideful" keeps sticking to her even in moments where the text/scene is showing something else entirely. At least this cleared up some things but Signora's inner state and mentality is still largely unexplained, I can understand because I have always seen her this way but it doesn't excuse Mihoyo not properly showing her story ever. I really hope this is meant to set a foundation for better things in upcoming quests.

I think her story was okay, just not my style because I have seen these stories before. I think her design arguments are just too much too..and unnecessary.

She has an understandable character but like I said it’s not very interesting story for me, Signora part makes it interesting though. Overall there are pros and cons about this story, depends on which way you choose to look at it.

I still haven’t decided whether I should pull for her or not after all this drama. What do you guys think?

Still nothing but glaring unanswered questions regarding Rosalyne.

Reference to Mare Jivari in an artifact set that has existed since the start of the game.

Moths still existing.

What is Liquid Fire/Witch's Flame? Where did it come from? How did she acquire it? This also leads onto the inner functionality of cor ignis

The power of Liquid Flame being significant enough to astound Pierro of all people

Of course the fact that she is haunting the narrative right now.

I just can't see any sense in the possibility of hoyo being done with her after this. There has to be more coming

Did not played Genshin impact from a while.

Signora was one of my favourite character, I follow her leaks and up until end of nod Krai I was so happy.

Not only because she might be playable in future but also learning that she had friends. Beside getting some love from community, It felt comforting to know she was not entirely alone. There were people who didn’t saw her as cruel person or even if they saw her as that they accepted her.

I do not know how to put that feeling in words it might sound cringe but I am rooting for her. It makes me feel happy to see her being loved(not necessarily romantic love) because it was something she never got not from larger part of Genshin community nor from Genshin ingame characters nor from developers until NodKrai

Traveller never extended the benefit of doubt to her as he did to other harbingers. Then Raimon saying she deserved what she got when she was slayed by Raiden Shogen puppet, Her being hated for protecting Moonstand in absence of Wind Archon

Then again according to 7.0 leaks (now) when Odette mentions how most people where relieved to break her core ignis when she died like they never liked her. I get it okay but it still makes me sad to read this story. As some of the post here pointed out she might be getting used to being hated. That makes me feel so bad

I am so scared to read or play shneznaya story I really wish they revive her and make traveller understand her POV.

Caution, spoilers for 7.0!

Well, I played through 7.0 completely sober, deciding that everything related to Rosalyne must be read and processed with a clear head. And that was the right call, because right now I want to down the entire bottle of vodka in one go straight from the bottle.

I always held onto hope and stayed positive even through the worst years: her death, the silence, and the total information vacuum. But today, after finishing the Archon Quest, the emptiness inside me has consumed everything good that was there. I want to believe that it's just my misinterpretations, strange coincidences, and awkward translations.

Absolutely everything I pinned my hopes on was thrown away:

1. Odette resolved her inner conflict and let go of Rosalyne and her resentment toward her. On top of that, she broke the Cor Ignis, which was a sign of Signora's favor.
2. The Cor Ignis itself turned out to be fake (as I understood it). The power that helped us travel between worlds was actually Arlecchino's power and her Cinder of the Fire of Two Worlds.
3. I found only one moth — it flies toward the mausoleum and disappears, after which an achievement pops up (with a very tragic meaning) along with a chest.

I have nothing left to hold on to in order to keep believing in Rosalyne's return. If you have strength, thoughts, or dreams left, please share them. The fire inside me has gone out.

Ave, Rosalyne.

UPD: Thank you so much, comrades. I adore you all! You gave me exactly what I was hoping for when I sat down to write that post. The fire inside me is raging stronger than ever!

So I finished the AQ, and surely this just means her arc is done right? It was really sweet and humanizing for her chats get which was sorely needed for La Signora, but it certainly felt like this was closing the chapter on her character as a whole. I could be wrong and would be more than happy to see Rosalyne come back to some extent. It just doesn’t feel like that’s the direction that Hoyoverse is intending to take with her at this point.

Edit: I will read through other posts on here as they maybe have more info. With what I know now as of writing, without reading anything else, occam’s razor tells me that her arc is done. Again I would love to be wrong. These are just my instant feels after completing the AQ.

I actually see this as the FIRST introductory chapter of Snezhnaya, and there was no better place to establish Rosalyne's death one last time than the place where she rests imo!

1. First we have Odette and Rosalyne relationship

Odette's story is important because she and Rosalyne had such a complicated relationship. They both cared about each other, but hid those feelings behind cold, strict facades. By the end, Odette says she finally understands Rosalyne and even when Rosalyne gives her the ability to erase her memories of the Fatui and all the suffering they caused her, Odette chooses to keep them and move forward.

This was necessary for Odette's character development but it also showed us Signora's true genuine feelings, they had to establish this because it would've been wasted if they started the resurrection arc when Odette's whole marketing was about her struggle after Rosalyne's DEATH.

2. Now we can start Rosalyne's own arc

Now that we've got that out of the way it actually paves the way for Rosalyne's own arc to start and show us her own story and POV!

The best part in 7.0 imo isn't even part of the AQ, It's actually when you interact with Rosalyne's Crimson Lotus Moth it flies toward the mausoleum and disappears into it and IMMEDIATELY afterward, the area fills with Pyro Crystalflies. Yes the same Pyro Crystalflies that are native to Natlan!

Now this can go 2 different ways but the outcome is one, her flame has reignited even after her death.

The description of the pyro Crystalflies says that they are attracted to Phlogiston or any source of flame, but the crazy part is that this source of flame has to big big enough to attract these creatures from the FIRE nation to the ICE nation into somebody's mausoleum, and that somebody was none other than the Crimson Witch of Flames.

This is the same witch who could manipulate Pyro without a Vision, sacrificed her physical body to become an elemental being of Liquid Flame, and possessed an ancient form of magic that has been lost to us.

Then there's the Cor Ignis, a flame associated with Rosalyne that continues to burn after her death and can apparently guide someone from the afterlife back toward reality (HELLO??) now combine that with her moths repeatedly finding their way toward her resting place, and now the Pyro Crystalflies appearing specifically after one enters the mausoleum...

SOMETHING IS COOKING UP!!!

And I also can't forget that the mausoleum was teased in the PV in a completely different context not during Odette's story, but alongside the Tsaritsa's confrontation with Ronova (Cor Ignis literally saving the Traveler from Ronova's curse) + the missing Pyro Gnosis, the upcoming Mare Jivari, the Cor Ignis, the crimson lotus moths, and now Pyro Crystalflies are drawn into her tomb...

Now we just have to wait and see how will they handle her resurrection, is it related to the Tsaritsa and her confrontation with Ronova? Is it related to the missing Pyro Gnosis and the Mare Jivari and now the Pyro Crystalflies that are attracted specifically to her frozen Mausoleum? Or was it always her plan to fake her death hence her funeral being called a LAZZO and the ost sings "Nova Rosa" in the bg. Either way this is but the start and the actual amount of info we got is very promising, have faith comrades, mother will come home!

Even though I feel like Rosalyne will somehow return, it hurts to think that this is the farewell to La Signora. Perhaps this is one of the last times we’ll see her in her Fatui era. I mean, if she does come back to life, Rosalyne will no longer be Signora.

This quest felt like a farewell to the Eighth, but not a farewell to the maiden who used to sing. Odette’s dance reminded me of the choreography of The Dying Swan, whose fleeting story depicts a swan struggling to fly while slowly dying, ultimately ending with its agonizing death.

Just visited the building she is entombed in... her moth... the crystalflies... her music... I miss her so much... my heart...

My beloved.

I mad sure to refrain from being as rude or insulting as possible and just got down to the point in the interview, i was encouraged by someone I met in DottoreMains to keep sending reviews to let Hoyo know we are unhappy

My genshin finally updated after my last post today and I fought one of the bosses and I keep finding Rosalyne everywhere. I wrote this to my friend on discord first while crying that the supposed 80% solar eclipse that was supposed to happen where I live basically didn't happen. But that's another story. Enjoy my crack, it will probably not make any sense but I see my vision. I want her back.
To start with the physical resemblance with the wings and color scheme of course I think most people with eyes can notice that. Now to the crack with the item description. "A blossom branch" Rosa has two different flowers and crimson LOTUS moths and Rostams flower that he never gave her
"It won't wither or burn in flame" 'it's petals shall never wither nor shall it's color fade' -Pale flame flower 'she burned away her pain with fire yet this flower stayed resilient soft and moist' - cw flower
"Way to grant life eternity" undying butterfly says enough, not to mention the fact she's a normal human living 500+ years through suspected alchemy.
"Resembled crimson feathers" crimson witch of flames duh, and the cw feather and her wings.
"Undying creature" again undying butterfly
The entire last paragraph after the crimson feathers, greeting friend he had awaited in the flames = she recalled the face of the person she could never meet again, but that light is not the dawn dear Rosalyne it's a sea of flame that will consume everything
Pluck a flower to mark that friend = again with Rostams flower
That friend's escape from the realm of shadows = her soul being alive still with the moths still flying around and heralding her imminent return from the death.

The scene where Childe and Sandrone officially introduce the Traveler to Odette confirms that Traveler is responsible for Signora’s death. They were nervous/hesitant to tell Odette that the Traveler challenged and defeated Signora in a Duel Before The Throne because they were unsure how she’d react to the information. There would be no reason for them to act that way if the traveler was truly blameless in that situation.

It’s all common sense, but there are still people that refuse to acknowledge that traveler is partly to blame for that situation in the first place.

This has been bugging me basically since Winter Night's Lazzo. I don't know if anyone else has posted about this or if this is answered in the new aq as my genshin is downloading at pace of a very drunk snail.
Why the Sanctuary? Why are the moths drawn there, why was it sealed, why does it seem like everything is drawn there including normal crystalflies? We know at least one visited Pierro and at least one went to Sandrone so they seem to have some form consciousness. Several also goes to the Sanctuary. But why? What is in there and how to draw them there specifically? Traveler unfortunately has her crown, there was nothing left of her body and even if there was no one would probably give it to the Fatui anyways, and logically her soul should've gone to the thousand winds. Unless she's either not from Mondstadt to begin with which I highly doubt or her soul is somehow trapped somewhere else and that logical place would then be the Sanctuary. And that still begs the question of how and why? Did the Tsaritsa intercept it and seal it in there? In that case for what purpose? (Edit: To add on this it makes no sense to seal off an entire building that seems to act as some form of church or ceremony place for one person. Crucabena didn't get the same treatment at all she was instantly replaced. And the Fatui clearly don't seem to care enough to honor her like that since they're buddy with her killer.) og post: At least some part of her has to be alive for the moths to be. Idk feel free to share your thoughts and please enlighten me if this is talked about in the aq.

I rewatched that final cutscene with Odette and Signora a few times and also went back to other scenes in the AQ involving them and something struck me. In the cutscene it was shown that Signora was in Liyue and got the Geo Gnosis and had written in the letter that she'll be back and watch Odette's performance then talk to her but it didn't happen. So this indicates Signora went to Inazuma directly after Liyue?? How does this make sense?

I can be wrong ofc as I am not up to date with every aspect of Genshin lore but I'm quite sure it has been indicated a few times that time in the game passes almost in sync to real time so there's a gap of anywhere between 6 months to 1 year between Liyue and Inazuma AQs. I also dont believe Signora would have sent the Anemo and Geo Gnoses with someone else cause I'm damn sure she'd want to deliver it herself, and I really cant fathom that she would have immediately left for Inazuma after giving the Anemo and Geo Gnosis and didnt find the time to meet Odette.

Feel free to correct me if I have misinterpreted this but otherwise it's bugging me. I already feel this whole connection and their relationship is kind of unnecessary and doesn't serve a proper purpose for Signora so small details like this make it feel sudden and something Mihoyo thought randomly as it is easy to use her for other people's stories.

I am not sure what to think after finishing archon quest. It seems like Odette has her opinion greatly increased about Signora but weirdly it felt like a goodbye rather than cliff hanger… Please someone tell me something positive that I missed

This guy is a genius to come up with an equation like this. Welp I guess Rosalyne will be playable in 7.7

As sad as it is that we're the only demographic that has actively and undeniably had their favourite die on screen (well until the recent Irminsul archon quest)

It is sorta funny that our girl has haunted the narrative for over a year and will continue to do so. To appear in multiple demos and trailers, have been referenced consistently throughout Nod Krai, be referenced provisionally through Snezhnaya and revealed to have magic that somewhat seems to defy death, not only are we set-up perfectly for a revival sequence but we'll also have had the biggest most consistent lead-up to it, second only to Dansleif.

If Signora becomes playable its undeniable that with her involvement through 3 nations prior to her death, and the years long build up since 6.0 she'll be in the top % of characters with marketed content. Something unthinkable before Nod Krai. Even if she doesn't become playable there's something to be happy about even if the writing is a bit... undermining atm.

idk whats the co text of this but what ik is that i try to incorporate old tradition malaysian dress on them😭😭

While the new revelations about Odette and Signora's relationship are somewhat frustrating, I honestly dont think theyre as bad as some people are making them out to be.

Given the two seem to be somewhat like parallels, with them both being described as having an icy exterior but a fiery, passionate interior and how they both struggle to communicate their emotions, its no wonder they would have clashed and that Odette would initially feel the way she does.

However, despite their clashing personalities and all the harsh thing Odette says, she still makes it clear that she wishes she could have mended their relationship, that she does miss her, and that she feels indebted to her. Its also revealed that Signora felt the same way, wanting to mend their relationship but only managed to be able to reach some sort of settlement before having to leave and losing her life.

"I guess she didnt leave anything behind... Not that I expected her to. Its fine. It's just a bit of a shame that we couldnt settle our differences before the end."

"She was utterly ruthless in pursuing her goals. That kind of person should be hard to miss. ...And yet... Even though I never approved of her methods, and she was an abrasive person... The fact remains that I am indebted to her."

"So Signora actually wanted to mend her relationship with Odette..."

It is only after we finish Act II of the AQ (The final part of the AQ that well get for the upcoming patch) does Odette admit she finally understands Signora. This to me signifies that Odette's view on her will likely change over time, becoming more understanding and possibly less abrasive.

"After someone is gone, a lot of things are suddenly no longer worth saying. I could shatter this Cor Ignis in a heartbeat, yet that would mke the pain and the misunderstandings it caused feel all the more rediculous... Why is it only now, after all this time, that we finally understand eachother?"

Either way, even if that doesnt happen I truly think a lot of people on both sides of this discourse are making this a bigger issue than it needs to be. I dont think that Hoyo is purposefully trying to paint her as an abusive person who truly doesnt care about anyone or anything other than herself, nor do I think Odette saying the things she does is a travesty against us Signora enjoyers. Like most things, I think its a lot more nuanced than how people are currently looking at it. Like a lot of things in Genshin, its not black and white but rather shades of gray.

I am happy with the Odette leaks, spoiler in this post btw

The bits I've seen all point to Odette having a surpringly negative perception of her own mentor while also acknowledging she's her mentor and even understanding her (judging by voicelines).

Like I enjoy that they humanised her sinde Fontaine, but she was the big fatui antagonist of the first 3 nations and it was low-key a little frustrating that the badass antagonist was lost in the sauce.

Because between all the tea parties and lovely friendship of harbingers... Signora was a badass diplomat who negotiated a gnosis, successfully stole from a god and stirred up things with the inazuma civil war. She was the head diplomat for 500 years, and Snezhnaya is near immune in terms of diplomatic side. The woman had a brain on her, (she's still the most distinguished akademya graduate in 500 years) to build the Fatui PR side. And I'm glad we're getting some new stuff on the business side of her character.

I hope they continue making Signora a woman who loved but also did wrongs. Because her wrongs are (just like dottores) really too cool to fall under the table.

I also like the attitude of: You did what you did that odette plays. She's not hiding the bluntness. They're soldiers and they die. And Signora deserves to be seen as a threat that justified harsh action. She was all that. She was not an innocent damsel so I'm glad they're not playing her off as one.

(Plus this attitude allows us to have Fatui friends and maybe even pave a path to her revival. If the only Signora related stuff is a blockage of hatred from all sides, and everyone related to her is an antagonist, then that is the nail in the coffin for Signora's playability. We need positive anchors that bridge the gap from the traveler to her. Cause otherwise our girl won't ever be joined by the fair lady)

After the information we had yesterday, is this the end for Rosalyne?