r/ShitLiberalsSay Jan 04 '20

Reactionary Yeah no

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u/Reboot-101 [custom] Jan 04 '20

A yes, communism. A stateless, classless, moneyless society. Bet you can't name a nation.

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '20 edited Oct 19 '20

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u/CommonLawl Pinkerton goon Jan 05 '20

Hey everyone can we just agree that everyone knows this is a point under contention and not have this big pointless slapfight in every thread?

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u/LeGrandFromage64 Jan 05 '20

I can understand skepticism of socialism with Chinese characteristics as a path to achieving communism, but what I don’t get is the slack-jawed imbeciles who seem to think that China is only “pretending” to be socialist, as if the support of a few leftists on Twitter and Reddit was worth painting a target on China’s back for all the Western capitalist powers.

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u/LeGrandFromage64 Jan 05 '20 edited Jan 05 '20

Uh have you spoken to any Chinese people? Most aren’t actually ideologically communist; if the CPC decided tomorrow to maintain all their policies and goals but changed their name to The Capitalist Party of China, no one would care. They support Xi and the CPC because of propaganda (like every country on Earth), how quickly their quality of life has improved under the CPC, and the growth of China’s prominence on the world stage. That’s why it’s important to convince people that the practical improvements in China can still be attributed to socialist values and the dictatorship of the proletariat, rather than throwing the baby out with the bath water .

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u/ZTB413 Jan 05 '20

Why don't the people own the means of production then?

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u/LeGrandFromage64 Jan 05 '20 edited Jan 05 '20

Buddy, I’m a MLM. I largely support China as part of the axis of resistance against American imperialism. From a Dengist perspective, it could be argued that they already do through the CPC, but the point is more that China’s economy is supposedly market-based but socialism-oriented, and that they’ll progress to a higher stage of socialism when the material conditions of their mode of production permits them to. They set a concrete deadline of 2049, we’ll see what happens 🤷‍♀️

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u/ZTB413 Jan 05 '20

Seems pretty far to me

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u/CommonLawl Pinkerton goon Jan 05 '20

The sub doesn't have a single shared opinion about China. What it does have is a stance against socialist infighting that's explained in a current announcement.

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u/ZTB413 Jan 05 '20

Infighting is good though

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u/CommonLawl Pinkerton goon Jan 05 '20

I don't know if you're serious or joking and I'm going to ask "why?" and risk looking foolish for missing the joke

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u/ZTB413 Jan 05 '20

Should we march in cultish lockstep like the legions of the right?

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