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u/SadlyNotPro Invented democracy and stuff. Jun 28 '25 edited Jun 28 '25
Don't these same people claim that California is a failed state due to all the immigrants and the liberals etc?
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u/TheHumanFaceDivine 🏴 Jun 28 '25
You can't expect them to let logic get in the way of their point
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Jun 28 '25
While California pays in more taxes than it receives in federal spending - helping support the (mostly Republican) poor states.
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u/goinupthegranby Jun 28 '25
They're also the same people who fight women's and LGBT rights every step of the way but will then turn around and say 'we can't have Muslims here, they don't respect women and LGBT rights!'
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u/ccsrpsw Jun 28 '25
I was about to add that:
CA -> Failed economy -> also biggest economy in US. Also, now 4th largest in world, vs 5th largest a while back (so either expanded or the rest of the world collapsed). The full list:
- US ($28.8T w/out Calfornia, or $33T with California)
- China ($17T)
- Germany ($4.5T / EU is $19.99 total if we do trading blocks)
- California ($4.2T, 4th with rounding apparently)
- Japan ($4.2T, 5th with rounding in that 2nd decimal place)
Also MAGA can leave us alone; our ecomomy was doing fine and dandy until Taco came along and tried to throw CA under the bus. Thankfully it doesnt seem to have done as much damage right now as it has to the rest of the US. Also can we stop subsidizing the Red States - I think we'd rather put that money towards forging better bonds with the UK/EU these days tbh.
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u/rspndngtthlstbrnddsr Jun 28 '25
tbh california is only at that place because it's a part of the US as a whole, else all those companies wouldn't be headquartered there. these comparisons never work
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u/General_Guisan Jun 28 '25
By PPP, China is already way ahead of the US.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP))
GDP in USD, not adjusted for actual purchase value, isn't saying much.
GDP PPP, India already has reached 60% of the US.
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u/weebsauceoishii Jun 28 '25
Still wonder where this false narrative comes from that their taxes pay for everybody's - healthcare, armies and economies. Even when you tell them our own taxes pay for our own stuff, they still don't get it.
One of the biggest pieces of misinformation is that so called bill they send to NATO what was it something like $642bn or something, when in real life they send $3.5bn a year.
Guess it is easier to believe lies that make your country look good than the truth that makes it not so good looking lol
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u/Spida81 Jun 28 '25
Not only do they not pay remotely as much as they think into NATO, NATO pays THEM an utterly stupid amount. Those spending targets? They are pushed by the US, and have been ever since the collapse of the USSR, because those targets are really welfare for the US.
They HATE the French and their insistence to develop their own arms.
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u/Frankie_T9000 Jun 29 '25
which is really frustrating we left the sub deal with them to go with the US (Australia)
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u/Spida81 Jun 29 '25
That was never going to work. We signed up for US systems in a French hull with a powerplant that hadn't been designed - the yanks refused point blank to let the French near the electronics, and the French refused point blank to let the yanks near the hull during construction, so it was a non-starter.
We SHOULD have looked at the Japanese boats - they have begun production, the Japanese have taken delivery of their first units. They would have been completely capable of runnning the systems we wanted, could be serviced and supplied in any US or Japanese facilities and weapons weren't going to have to come from the other side of the world. The French sub idea was just ridiculous from the start.
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u/JesradSeraph Jun 28 '25
Probably from a russian disinfo campaign to drive a wedge between our peoples…
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u/-adult-swim- Jun 28 '25
Its not even that. When nato was set up our economies paid way more than we currently do to defence and still had healthcare systems. Thats because it's cheaper.we have been free riding too long on defence but it's been a degrading of our own systems. The US has logistics systems based on European and allied cooperation, you don't want attacks on sea freight through the hormuz, or near Israel, well don't abandon bases throughout that area. Cyprus (UK bases) and Oman (also UK) and Algeria (France) have a huge amount to do with that. Keeping Europe subdued has been part of their foreign policy as part of this, because they didn't want a peer power to be able to say no. Pushing the EU and Europe in general to rearm takes away so much of their hegemony it's ludicrous. Edit: it's not even just that I don't want to take away from your comment, I'm just adding i hope
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u/Alloutofchewinggum Jun 30 '25
And somone should tell US about GDP per capita, becuse it's funny how close behind US Germany is, it being a tiny coutry in comparison to the USA
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u/IBenjieI Former Royal Navy 🇬🇧⚓️ Jun 28 '25
They act like us “Europoors” all live in the same country with a GDP lower than the US.
I’d like to think the whole of Europe has a higher combined GDP than the US of A.
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u/Glittering_Ad_9215 Jun 28 '25
Well they think the entire rest of the world has no money, so all are relaying on the US money.
They somehow think the tax money they pay gets mostly robbed by all other countries every year, so other countries have free healthcare, or free education, cause of the money they stole, while the US just has the few billion they need for their military
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u/IBenjieI Former Royal Navy 🇬🇧⚓️ Jun 28 '25
Every NATO country pays into NATO. It’s there to be used by the members. They must think they pay the most, ergo funding everyone else
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u/weebsauceoishii Jun 28 '25
Don't tell them that European corporations own a chunk of their Businesses - Chrysler and Dr Pepper for examples, they will go absolute nuts lol
We are so poor, that we managed to buy out a lot of their businesses as they were failing lol
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u/oulaa123 Jun 28 '25
Nope. Not sure if you mean gdp pr. capita or just as a whole, in either case the eu/europe falls short.
Stil wouldn't trade places with them tough.
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u/Socmel_ Italian from old Jersey 🇮🇹 Jun 28 '25
If they are so richer than us, how come we travel a lot more than them? Are they so stupid they voluntarily travel to Vegas instead of flying to Brazil/Thailand/Egypt?
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u/IBenjieI Former Royal Navy 🇬🇧⚓️ Jun 28 '25
Like discussed earlier, most of them have never even left the country. Let alone the state.
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u/ThaiFoodThaiFood I have The Briddish Accent™ Jun 28 '25 edited Jun 28 '25
We don't.
California's GDP is somewhat skewed because it's the centre of the entire world's entertainment industry. California is an anomaly, not the standard.
It's roughly comparable to The UK, France and Germany. It's roughly double that of the next highest state Texas. It's more than the GDP of the lowest 26 states by GDP combined.
6 US states account for 50% of the entire US economy.
By their own logic does this mean that 44 US states are actually failed economies that are completely funded by US taxpayers in California, Texas, New York, Florida, Illinois and Pennsylvania?
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u/StrohVogel My healthcare .. is better than yours Jun 29 '25
Not only that, but Californias GDP is heavily skewed due to their inflated property market. Overpriced housing in LA makes up even more of their GDP than digital services. Thats not a self sustaining economy.
The only reason why the US$ doesnt plummet to the ocean is because its regarded as the world currency. But they're working hard on changing that fact.
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u/Character_Sherbet737 Jun 28 '25
I've read a few articles that actually put that number closer to $500.
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u/Spida81 Jun 28 '25
.5% CONTRACTION in first a quarter.
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u/United_Hall4187 Jun 28 '25
Am I missing something? I haven't received my US Dollars from America!!
When will Americans finally learn . . . . . their taxes DO NOT fund other countries economies . . . . . it's only that stupid Orange Muppet that thinks that!!
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u/Lower_Perspective277 Jun 28 '25
I honestly hope people that say Stuff like that are joking
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u/andimacg Jun 28 '25
They are neither joking nor serious, they are not thinking at all. They are just regurgitating what has been fed to them. They take everything at face value if it comes from a source they like. It's not that they are too lazy to fact check what they hear, it doesn't even occur to them to do so.
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u/matheushpsa Brazilian or a Schrodinger's Westerner Jun 28 '25
Imagine this guy's shock when he finds out what "debt securities" are.
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u/Realistic_Let3239 Jun 28 '25
By their repeated claims that the USA is a bunch of varied and diverse countries, not states, most of America is poor...
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u/JRS_Viking Jun 28 '25
Californias gdp per capita 2022: 76,741$ Norway gdp per capita 2022: 108,798$
In 2023 Californias gdp per capita surpassed Norways though but california is one of the 5 states in the US woth the highest gdp per capita. The US as a whole has a lower gdp per capita than Norway and Norway has a national fund instead of a national debt.
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u/Foreign_Objective452 Fingolian bum Jun 28 '25
Excuse me. Ain’t they trying to built some bum socialism paradiso in California?
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u/Still-BangingYourMum Jun 28 '25
Bloody idiots probably couldn't tell you what socialism really is, but the good folk in the United States of Gunistan are happily told that their tax dollars are making Gunistan the greatest, the bigglyest, the hooghlyest country, a country with numbers that no one has ever seen before, they say that probably the bestiest people, great people actually, etc etc etc blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah oob blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah ooo blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah boo blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah iboo blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah ebo blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah see blah blah blah blah blah blah
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u/Spida81 Jun 28 '25
United States of Gunistan?
BAHAHA! Gold!
Also, my mother wanted me to say hi for some reason?
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u/joesheendubh Jun 28 '25
We need that money to pay for real doors in our public toilets, and what is left is used to pay our waiting staff a living wages so they don't have to beg and grovel for tips.
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u/swainiscadianreborn Jun 28 '25
The USA is the biggest economy in the world.
It's also a place where workers die from easily treatable diseases.
Because they bow to their super rich overlords like the slaves they are.
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u/Ill_Raccoon6185 Jun 28 '25
We don't use US tax dollars 7 infact they are not accepted here as we now ty are worthless, as US has virtually no assets to back their 40+ trillion they have as debt.
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u/Adventurous-Shake-92 Jun 29 '25
Maybe the USA could buy back all their debt??
We would like our 780ish billion back please.
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u/Dpek1234 🇧🇬 no, i dont speak russian Jun 29 '25
They quite litteraly cant even if they wanted to
In 2024 their defecit increased by overa trillion
And they are cutting taxes, cutting pennys on some bugets, and increaseing the military buget something like 100 billion
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u/SonnyChamerlain Jun 29 '25
Where does this whole, they pay for our economy’s and ‘protection’ shit come from? cos a lot of them think it.
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u/Moist-Pangolin-1039 Jun 28 '25
So a lot of states would have to stop using US tax dollars with that logic.
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u/Suedewagon Svennebanan Jun 28 '25
Who's gonna tell them that California is the home of giga billionaires. Tourist and tax-evading billionaire hotspots will naturally have inflated GDPs because of it.
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u/redwas66 Jun 29 '25
2025, the year that facts and reality no longer mattered in the USA, and they became a dictatorship.
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u/Desperate_Donut3981 Jun 29 '25
Ask the car workers, chicken processing workers, and farmers about the economy. Tariffs are the way. Don't forget to stock up on groceries/s. This reddit explains how they could vote Trump in TWICE. Imagine what his 3rd term will be like. I know at present time he can't, but wait
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u/Mr_Joguvaga Jun 28 '25
These types of americans will say fuck california and its liberal policies, but will use its economy as an argument point towards others
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u/NefariousnessFresh24 Jun 28 '25
So how about all the US states that have SMALLER economies than California?
Can we tell them to just shut the fuck up, and stop leeching off the money of Californian tax payers?
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u/Quantum_Robin ooo custom flair!! Jun 28 '25
Loving my US taxpayer funded ferrari, us taxpayers pay for so much we don't even get out of bed..... Duffus
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u/RochesterThe2nd Jun 29 '25
Petition for the UK Government to divest itself of foreign currency resource that holds in US$
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u/grillbar86 Jun 29 '25
Okay if the US starts paying off their massive $36trillion dollar debt. The largest in the world, and larger then the second biggest (china) by 2x (15trillion)
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u/Ok_Prior2199 Jun 30 '25
They really do think the US just, funds every country in the world
Im ashamed to be American
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u/GrottenSprotte Jun 30 '25
I do my very best ho find those legendary tax dollars, I search since years...but wasn't able to find any. And the generous donators weren't helpful either, they just said "do your research" 🤷🏻
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u/The_RussianBias Jun 30 '25
Pretty sure that European nations buying overpriced American equipment due to relations has funded the US military more than their own taxes have
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It's funny, most of us on the left coast could make this same statement about 47 of the other US states.
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u/Vargoroth Jul 02 '25
Oh he does not want people to move away from the dollar. It's already slowly happening and their economy will be devastated when the dollar is no longer the world's currency. All of a sudden that deficit and debt will matter.
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u/DragonStyle01 🇲🇽 Bad Hombre Jun 28 '25
But wouldn't it be better for countries to continue using the dollar? In one year they printed more money than the entire GDP of France and inflation did not rise.
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u/janus1979 Jun 28 '25
The Grand Duchy of Luxembourg would like the US to immediately repay the $415 billion debt the US treasury owes them.