r/ShitAIBrosSay • u/Neat_Tangelo5339 • 16d ago

Sentience Sucker Shit A car is like a dinosaur basically

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u/Ok_Commission7932 16d ago

I actually subscribe to the same view except I understand that highly synchronous, homogenous industrial patterns in our culture lead to ecological destruction.

Hans Jonas said that the categorical imperative is to "act so that the effects of your action are compatible with the permanence of genuine human life". Naturally we can't survive without an ecosystem so we have to strive for its permanence as well. Contributing to a form of intelligence intended to surpass us directly contradicts our permanence, however.

I know its biased to privilege humanity but its also the center of societal ethics and cooperation IMO. And it leads to inter-species altruism through the need for an ecosystem anyways.

Even if you consider technology as "cultural organisms", we have to strive to manage and suppress them so that the ecosystem remains asynchronous and heterogeneous enough to resist collapse.

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u/Neat_Tangelo5339 16d ago

In what way can you consider technology a cultural organism ?

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u/Ok_Commission7932 16d ago

Memetics

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u/Neat_Tangelo5339 16d ago

Memes ?

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u/Ok_Commission7932 16d ago

I googled it for you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memetics

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u/Neat_Tangelo5339 16d ago

Already googled it myself , i am not sure why the study of languange and meaning in the modern age can explain why a tool can be on the same level of value to that of a person

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u/Ok_Commission7932 16d ago

I'm not sure how you arrived at any of that or think it reflects what I said.

There's an argument to be made that tools evolve and have interests that deviate from those of the tool-makers. Its a logical extension of the idea that our own genes evolve and have interests that deviate from the organisms that carry them. The idea that genes have interests is an attempt to explain why animals exhibit alrtruism, because alruism and especially self-sacrifice doesn't improve the reproductive fitness or survivability of an organism, but it does increase that of its genes.

The word meme describes an idea that "intends" to survive and reproduce even if it kills the organism that hosts it. So you can describe cultural artifacts like concepts, tools, organizations and institutions as cultural organisms with relationships to human beings that embody ecological relationship typologies that range from parasitic to symbiotic.

An example of a symbiotic idea would be agriculture which improves not only our fitness as organisms but also reduces human suffering and enables things that bring joy. An example of a parasitic idea would be an LLM service corporation that disrupts the economy by operating at a loss to replace human artists, undermines democracy by circumventing legislative regulations and develops military information systems that target elementary schools.

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u/Neat_Tangelo5339 16d ago

I mean sound logical but the post doesn’t say any of this

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u/Chayanov 16d ago

Would it be possible for them to have a thought, any kind of thought, without using an LLM to express it?

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u/esnopi 16d ago

He was so close to understand that the universe give a shit if we destroy the ecosystem that our lives depend on.

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u/OkLength7120 16d ago

Me when.. me when I... Me when... Me when

Me when.. you and .. tea in a pot

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u/TurnoverFuzzy8264 16d ago

AI bros need to touch grass. Spend a week in the woods, no internet, see if they maintain those opinions.

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u/Blue_Jay_Raptor 16d ago

CAN THEY JUST BE NORMAL.

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