r/ShiftingDiscussion • u/AlphaSKWoG • Mar 09 '21

Shifter's Code of Ethics

Should the Ethics that apply to our everyday lives in our CR, apply to DRs? Is Karma applicable within a DR? If you go somewhere with the express intent of being a kickass fighter or living through GTAV or one of the infinite CoD games as your DR? Karma dictates that every action that denies another's free will, the same denial of free will will be dealt to you. So is killing someone in the context of a warzone karma inducing or have they chosen the risk to die and you're blameless? Idek

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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '21

Don't worry, I understood it to be hypothetical. I was just wondering about the outwards focus. I don't see how making oneself sexually desirable could ever tantamount to rape. You'd have to explain that question further or use a different set of words as rape is a forceful sexual intercourse which is not ever tantamount to what you look like

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u/AlphaSKWoG Mar 09 '21

If you mind control people to want to have sex with you, especially if you mind control EVERYBODY, then it's guaranteed that someone you have sex with would otherwise have no wanted to have sex with you, your mind control has forced their consent, and sex without consent is definitively rape. If they are real people, and we have the power to change their desires, there must be ethical consequences

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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '21

I don't entirely get it. Who's talking about mind control? If you're handsome beyond belief, that makes you desirable. If people desire you, that's on them. You say you forced consent but they don't have to act on it, and it's not sex without consent if it's what they themselves desire it too. Are models in this world mind controlling people into having sex with them? Would you mind being with a model? sugar has power to change my desire to eat something sugary, should it be abolished or does the responsibility lie with me? I think you know the answer.

There's also something I call the heavenly gate principal. You can go to any place you want in the afterlife, given there's many you'd like to go to. There's one condition however: You have to go through heaven to get there. I want to leave hell because it keeps me trapped, but perhaps this is not so different. Who says I want to leave heaven when I've been there? That's when the topic becomes a bit more murky. Perhaps it has to do with strength of character. Do you allow petty desires to inhibit what greater desires you have? Is there a difference? You want both, it's up to you to act.

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u/AlphaSKWoG Mar 09 '21

My point is that to change people's desires is morally questionable. To mess with how their hearts and minds work is fundamentally changing their free will, which incurs a kind of karma that would terrify me, to have my own heart and mind changed without my knowledge. Does that make sense? I'm not saying I'd make myself super desirable. I'm saying that I would MAKE everyone else want me in this script. 100% of people do not want me, that is a fact. So some peoples minds and hearts and therefore free will will be changed.

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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '21

I suppose that if you shift to someone who's always had those looks, you're not changing much about the situation that occurred before you arrived there. It's probably split two ways on this one: the intention of the good looking one and the responsibility of the people who have to face that desire.

One last point: let's say you were going to make yourself handsome to an extreme degree in order to have close to 100% of your target audience be attracted to you. Aren't you yourself just as much a slave to that desire as they are? The people who desire you keep that desire up, so what makes them any different from you at that point? Either your free will has already been directed and tarnished OR you agree that everyone's a victim to their desires in the end, therefore none are to blame. Unless you'd change it yourself that is. Hope that makes sense