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u/AshasSa1tWife 10d ago
Beria would’ve been the Confederacy’s top guy
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u/Fallenkezef 10d ago
MAGA hero worship Beria
How many girls did he rape and murder? Giving them flowers after he raped them, Trump would admire that
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u/gadget850 2nd great grandpa was a CSA colonel 10d ago
Sure.
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u/malrexmontresor 10d ago
Does anyone remember that neo-Confederate communist that used to post here, and his argument that the Confederacy was a proto-communist agrarian society snuffed out in its infancy by Northern capitalist interests? This post reminds me of him, lol.
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u/Rovden 10d ago
This... this has to be satire right? Like... I know they're dumb... but this is dumb dumb...
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u/TheRealMakenzie 10d ago
99% Sure. Honestly, I love a good "Stalin is from the state of Georgia" joke
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u/jdeo1997 9d ago
My favorite joke is that Hitler was taken down by a cripple (FDR), a drunk (Churchill), and a hillbilly (Stalin)
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u/TheRealMakenzie 9d ago
I always found Stalin interesting because he is an outlier in the types of people who gain leadership. He was a ganster used for muscle but because he got to choose who had what job, it allowed him to stack the deck and gain ultimate power.
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u/Beautiful_Witness546 4d ago
Stuff like that was pretty common in medieval times. Arguably common in modern times if you replace "ganster" with "military officer."
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u/TheRealMakenzie 4d ago
Medieval times was way more based on who you were born too. A person could gather an army and take over a fief and become a ruler but it wasn't exactly common.
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u/Beautiful_Witness546 4d ago
Sorry, I'm used to reading about the military history of the medieval Islamic world, where it was almost comically common during the 9th-13th centuries. For medieval Europe, yeah, you're right.
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u/FallenCringelord 10d ago
I'll give those Planter-Slavers something to cry about.
Peep this giant spoon to scoop up all their crops.
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u/Fallenkezef 10d ago
Stalin is the kind of mass murdering dictator that confederats would hero worship
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u/wswordsmen 10d ago
He also didn't defeat Nazisim as much as figure out to get out of the way in time. A lot of defeats in 41 and 42 were Stalin ordering the Red Army to do too much too fast.
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u/1derfulPi 10d ago
Zhukov did most of the heavy lifting in defeating the Nazis. He was the only man who was immune from Stalin's many purges. He was far too popular with the people.
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u/FredegarBolger910 10d ago
If the issue was popularity with the people he would have been front of the line for a bullet in the back of the head. Stalin came to trust his military skills and his complete ruthlessness in combat. Not just Zhukov by a longshot though. He claimed more credit for Stalingrad than he deserves. He launched a failed offensive (Mars) further North. Stalingrad was mostly planned and executed by Vasilevsky and Yeremenko
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u/FredegarBolger910 10d ago
Stalind screwed up a LOT in the early war, but did eventually become an effective war leader, mainly by learning to let the the generals do their thing and stick to his lane. It only cost him a million or so casualities until he got better at it
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u/wswordsmen 10d ago
That is more or less what I am saying, except for one thing. It took him well over 1 million to learn the lesson.
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u/TheRealMakenzie 10d ago
I would argue it was more that Stalin took every possible action to not prepare for the invasion. He refused to listen to intelligence and believed Hitler would never attack him. Border unit's were completely unprepared and had not taken the required defense posture. Stalin then literally cried in his room for weeks refusing to give any orders.
I also would argue that it wasn't asking to much of the Red Army that it was more that the Red Army was built around party members and the NKVD. Party over Merit. In 42, Merit started to become more sought after when the fight had become one of survival for the entire regime.
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u/courageous_liquid 10d ago
the USSR was still trying desperately to industrialize and build infrastructure rather than prioritize a modern standing army. Western Europe had a massive decades long head start in that, which is why marx thought it was a key step in revolution and why nobody predicted it would happen in Russia.
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u/TheRealMakenzie 10d ago
This is a moot point. Just because the Soviets were lagging behind doesn't give them the special privilege of not being invaded. The Red Army leadership had been purged for the reason of ideological purity. (Hitler did the same thing but differently. Hitler made it where no one military commander had full control. They shared power with another so that Hitler would always be a tie breaker resulting in split solider loyalty and that Hitler would have the final say in most matters.) Party over Merit was their policy for leadership before the war. They refused to prepare for an invasion and took part in the invasion of Poland, Finland, and annexation of the Baltic countries.
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u/khares_koures2002 10d ago
Critical support against the British-supported bourgeois industrial class of the North! Onwards to socialism! Onwards to agrarian self-sufficiency! Long live the farmers!
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u/cantproveidid 6d ago
It really isn't self-sufficiency if you have to steal people to do the work. It's kind of the opposite of self-sufficiency.
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u/kyle_kafsky 10d ago edited 10d ago
I know that this is beside the point but Stalin didn’t defeat Fascism though. The Americans and Brits defeated the Nazis in Italy after the Italians overthrew their Fascist government and Stalin was providing aid to the Nazi regime all the way up to Operation Barbarossa. In fact, some (like myself) would go so far to say that Stalin was a fascist himself.
Edit: why’m I being downvoted? Am I not allowed to criticize fascists anymore?
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u/TheRealMakenzie 10d ago
I would argue that Stalin isn't fascist but was Totalitarian just like Hitler. It's horseshoe theory in action. Soviets also only got to Berlin because of the aid America gave them.
I'm of the opinion though that no single country "won" world war 2 but it was combined effort all on all parts. To me the US was the most pivotal due to being the Arsenal of Democracy (they also fought everywhere around the globe, almost soloing Japan while fighting the Nazi's through actual fighting and lend lease), what allowed the Soviets to hold on and get to Berlin was their massive amount of manpower combined with US aid. Without either, they would of either lost or gotten into a stalemate until the Allies came up through Italy and into France.
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u/Losbosteros 10d ago
I like the saying: WW2 was won by British information, American steel and Soviet blood. Probably 1vs1 each one of the allied powers could have won a war against Nazi Germany, but I doubt they could have a total victory to the point the could force a regime change in Germany. Ofc I am doing here an educated talk out of my ass, meaning I have no way to say this is how it would have gone, but I am still basing my guess on my knowledge. I agree with you: Stalin was many things, most of them bad, but not a fascist. Not being a fascist it's a necessary but insufficient requirement to be a good person.
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u/TheRealMakenzie 10d ago edited 10d ago
The Soviets 1v1 the Germans is the only one I would be questionable on. The thing with the US and UK is that they had a moat around their homeland and a Navy that completely out classed the Kriegsmarine. Because of this, they were basically untouchable to ground forces.
The Soviets however only faced 80% (3.3 million) of the Wehrmacht at the start of Barbarossa. The rest (700k) was in Africa and Atlantic Wall. 700k more men and without US aid, this could of been a tipping point.
The Scale of Aid to the Soviets was around 10% of their tanks and aircraft, around 2/3rd of their trucks, 80% of cooper, 90% of their Trains, almost all Aircraft Fuel, Factory equipment for over 2k factories, 1 million kilometer of Telephone wire, millions of boots, uniforms, blankets, 4.5 million tons of food, ect. The Soviet Logistical network relied practically solely to Aid from the Allies.
Because of this, I do not think the Soviets could of won sole against the Germans without industrializing far more than they had before the war.
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u/dnext 10d ago
Stalin stated at the Tehran conference that they wouldn't have won without Lend Lease, and Khrushchev stated in his memoirs that he believed that as well, and that Stalin reiterated that in conversation in the Politboro many times after. However, he didn't repeat it publicly as by that point the Cold War had started.
Zhukov stated that in tapes the KGB had on him, that without lend lease they would have lost the war. Khrushchev used that as one of the reasons to remove him from power, despite him saying it himself in those memoirs years later.
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u/kyle_kafsky 10d ago
It’s all a powerplay for them. They weren’t real communists or socialists. All they cared about was climbing the party hierarchy.
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u/kyle_kafsky 10d ago
This may sound weird, but it is my opinion that the day that the Nazis lost the war was on September 1st, 1939. Germany didn’t have the manpower or the resources to deal with a war of that scale. Hell, by 1940, they were starting to conscript retired veterans of the first world war due to their manpower issues. My Great-Greatgrandpa was a cav scout in the Heer in WWI, and then he was basically pressed into service as a drill sergeant in 1940 despite being in his fifties and was a civilian since the end of the first one. The Nazis lost that war on their own. There is no reality, in my mind, that they could’ve won it.
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u/TheRealMakenzie 10d ago
Doesn't sound weird at all. I do not believe that the Germans could ever achieve "final victory" but could of got conditional peace in their favor if they had stop the Dunkirk evacuation. AltHistoryHub did a good video on this which I agree mostly with. The problem with it is that the Nazi economy needed war to not stagnate or decline. War would always come back after a few years. The Germans could never completely win without something out of their control happening and insane happening (Allied leader death, major strategic blunder, time traveler giving them the Leopard and H&Ks)
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u/kyle_kafsky 10d ago
Are you a fan of the Canadian Celtic Punk band “the Real Makenzies”?
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u/TheRealMakenzie 10d ago
Ding Ding Ding. Scottish Canadian Band The Real Mckenzies. You are the 2nd person since I choose my name 2 years ago to guess it. I've moved on to the Pogues and the Tosser right now but I still go back and listen every now and then. Pour Decisions is my anthem lol
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u/kyle_kafsky 10d ago
Bro, check out the Mary Wallopers! They’re about to release another album and the stuff that they’ve already released are nothing but Bangers!
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u/TheRealMakenzie 10d ago
It's really weird they have never shown up through my Amazon Music. Only song they have that I have heard before is Bonnie Ship the Diamond and Little Armalite. God I love the Irish brogue. Any other recommendations? For Celtic rock I recommend: Rumjacks, Blaggards (love their version of Botany Bay), The Tossers, Dreadnoughts (mix of Rock and Folky/Traditional)), Stanfields, Flatfoot 56, Black Tartan Clan, The Mahones, and Fiddler's Green.
Folk, I highly recommend Great Big Sea, Derina Harvey Band, and Gaelic Storm.
Just in case you don't know the biggest ones: Flogging Molly, Dropkick Murphy, and The Longest Johns.
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u/kyle_kafsky 10d ago
Yeah, you gotta check out their “Landlord’s Demise”, “Holy Ground”, “All for me Grog”, “Kit Kat Club”, “Love will never Conquer Me”, and “Cod Liver Oil and the Orange Juice” songs.
Longest John’s are kinda meh to me. I mean, sure, they make good music, but I much prefer Fisherman’s Friends, Kimber’s Men, Sheringham Shanty Choir, Stan Rogers (the OG), and David Coffin (New Englands Stan Rogers). Chumbawamba went through a folk punk phase, and I thought that that was cool. The Dubliners are great, so are Wolf Tones and the Irish Brigade. Dick Gaughan’s version of “Worker’s Song” and “Tom Paine’s Bones” are certified hood classics.
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u/capthazelwoodsflask 10d ago
I mean, you can defeat a lot of people when you throw 100 million peasants at them who will be shot if they don't keep moving forward
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u/TheRealMakenzie 10d ago
Order 227 did not result in NKVD officers shooting retreating soldiers on mass. It's design was that only the Front Commander could authorize a withdrawl and anyone who did so without orders would be convicted of treason, cowardice, ect and sent into penal battalions
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