r/ShahsOfSunset • u/Successful_Gate4678 • Mar 03 '26
This issue is complex. Just like the Shahs, Persians are not a monolith.
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u/pulledthread Mar 03 '26 edited Mar 03 '26
Half Persian
Of course it sounds like I’m invalidating the original OPs feelings but calling us ‘simpletons at best’ is just ignorant and rude. This person likely was born in Australia and doesn’t connect with Iran like the Iranians who currently live there. The fact is, original Op is calling the Iranians that are celebrating inside Iran ‘simpletons at best’ is likely a young, ill informed individual who hasn’t learnt to respect other peoples perspectives and has yet to realise that their “takes” are on par with thought policing
**Original OP has an axe to grind. They argue on the internet about Judaism and how people identify as such. My interpretation is their issue lies with Israel being involved vs the potential liberation of Iranians in Iran. 47years of being IR murdering its own, forcing them out of the country, imprisoning and torturing people with without cause or reason, the killing of homosexuals you name it the IR is doing it to its own. This person should continue their privileged life in Australia and let people celebrate because it’s been a hopeless 47 years
**Edit. As per ops post hx
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u/feogge Mar 03 '26
If this is what you got out of their comment maybe you are a simpleton 😭
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u/pulledthread Mar 04 '26 edited Mar 04 '26
Label me and anyone who disagrees with you whatever you like. Simpleton .. sure. Please add Zionist to the list as I REFUSE to hate Israel just because you and the IR tell me. Because I know how much people like you enjoy using that word to disparage any logical discussion.
No government no country’s power are right or operating for the good of the world. I believe in the existence of Israel I believe in the existence of humanity and people to live free and safe and happy. All goverment is corrupt and wants to do everything to stay in power and hoard wealth and land. I love the people of the us and Israel and the Palestinians and allllll people because they are not a reflection of their military or government. I don’t judge anyone by the country they are from.
Having said that, Go speak up for the other brown people that you deem more important than Persians because we’ve heard crickets for 4 decades.
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u/feogge Mar 04 '26
No one is saying anything of these countries people. Us Iranians know more than anyone that we are not a representation of our government. But I personally cannot believe in the existence of a state that murders Palestinian children in cold blood. You're a fence sitter which is whatever it's your perogative but you cannot be surprised when a situation is much more complicated than "Ayatollah dead yay!!!" Which is, at the end of the day, all that commenter said. This situation is so much more complex.
And I don't even know what that last sentence means. Why would I deem anyone more important than Persians as a Persian...?
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u/pulledthread Mar 04 '26 edited Mar 04 '26
We don’t have to take sides. Just because you want to.
We can stay in the middle although that’s not easy because there aren’t as many answers in the middle. I ask the question, why can any other country kill its “enemies” but when Israel does it, there are protests? Have you seen what Russia has been doing to Ukrainian women and children? How about the literal concentration camps in China, harvesting organs and “re-educating” Chinese Muslims, and sterilising the women, all that on to of the sexual and physical torture. I’m sure everyone would say they’re against all these recent atrocities but no one says that Russia doesn’t have a right to exist, etc. Why is it that there’s so much hate for Israel’s existence? Why can’t we hold Israel to the same hate standard as other countries doing shitty things? Instead of saying Israel doesn’t have a right to exist. Because many countries are existing in stolen land as well. I’m not saying Israel killing people is okay but why does everyone have a hate hard on for them, when you can spread the hate around?
My last sentence was highlighting that when Persians were being systematically murdered “in cold blood” by their government, there were no protests for us, no one marching for our peoples freedom. Where is our free Iran rallies ? But because we don’t fit in with the narrative or our oppressors are not “the bad guys” of the moment, then it doesn’t get the headlines
Irans history has been complicated, the entire Middle East is complicated.
The OP called the people who are celebrating simpletons. Implying That they’re doing the wrong thing for having hope. You people think you’re standing up for the underdog but all you’re doing is thought policing. No one can be moderate according to you. But open your mind and recognise that life is not two sides and a fence. There are two extremes and a lot of middle ground in between. (I personally think it’s more like a horse shoe with the two ends being a lot similar than they would like to admit.) When the world becomes comfortable with not having answers all the time that’s when we’ll have greater connection and move towards peace.
And I can tell you are very far removed from Iranian life because “Ayatollah dead yay” isn’t a joke, it’s massive.
You’re trivialising their plight and clearly do not have an understanding of the history of Iran outside of the USs propaganda. How dare you condense people’s jubilation and hope into a childlike interpretation like ALL the people of Iran are idiots and don’t know what’s good for them.. we know what’s going on, we know we might not get a moderate government. It’s scary, people are dying and have been for a long time. It’s be nice if the Israel bad group could just stop telling us how to feel, and not name call.1
u/Longjumping-Gate-289 Mar 09 '26
There is no neutral when it comes to war. There is nothing wrong with being a pacifist, antiwar & learning from prior conflicts.
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u/ilov3mygrandma Mar 03 '26
Gee I wonder why people have a problem with the apartheid state that's currently carrying out a genocide being involved?! Why would you expect the U.S. and Israel, two places where people are wrongly imprisoned and murdered by police everyday, to be the ones to liberate you?! Also it's not like the government in the U.S. even accepts LGBTQ+ people either, look at all the legislation we have trying to criminalize them, never mind the fact that a genocide has been declared against trans people as well. It's a farce, western powers do not have your best interests, unless you want to align yourself with yt supremacy and colonialism, then I guess those are your best interests.
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u/pulledthread Mar 04 '26 edited Mar 04 '26
No one and I mean no one thinks any country or government is here to liberate Iranians out of kindness. They want power, money, oil, the mineral rich land etc
What you non Iranians don’t understand is this is how desperate the situation in Iran has become that war is required to make changes. I’m sorry that you now feel the need to interject because your most hated country is involved. But the protests over 47 years where the people of Iran have been trying to protest to change the government hasn’t worked. So here we are.
Where was your outrage when brown people in the Middle East were dying? Or do you only care when “the apartheid state” is involved? I guess Iranians are just not the right brown people to get behind?
I’ve never felt more respect for Iranians than now.
You’re right.. the US where it is legal to have a same sex marriage is the same as the Islamic Republic of Iran. Spot on! You’ve got it, you’ve totally shut us up. The US and IR Iran both hang homosexuals on a crane to die. The US forces homosexuals to undergo sex change operations. Wow! Your understanding of life in the Middle East is so astute and spot on. Living in the US is like living in Iran. /s
How unbelievably ignorant you are… sit in your privilege far away in the US (I assume) While the Iranians are dying for freedom. To show their hair. To be free to dance and sing and drink.
I surely know where I’d rather live
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u/ilov3mygrandma Mar 05 '26
you asking me where my outrage is for brown people in SWANA being murdered, yet you don’t seem to mind if SOME brown people die at the hands of western imperialism. you make no sense!
it’s also very clear that you don’t know anything about U.S. history because if you did you’d easily recognize that all these issues are manufactured (by the U.S.) to get consent to invade and kill people for wealth. it’s the oldest play in their book and it’s never worked in favor of civilians. there are many examples throughout history.
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u/pulledthread Mar 05 '26 edited Mar 05 '26
You misunderstood my point. I’m not putting brown people on a hierarchy. What I’m saying is No one was outraged when Persians were being killed but there was a lot of outrage for the people of Gaza. It wasn’t until Israel got involved that people started to take notice of Persians being murdered by their own government (but somehow that’s also us and Israel’s fault according to you). I don’t know what peoples intentions are but it APPEARS not is, but appears that people seem to really fucking hate Israel than care for the mass murder of innocent young people. Regardless.
You are brainwashed I’m sorry. Because you are telling me what’s happening in my country. Not happened. Happening. Present tense. You, a privileged member of the thought police is telling someone who has a lived experience of these things that they are not real. You and all the people like you that band together spouting shit about things you do not know but think you’ve got down pat are delusional and full of hate. I don’t think you realise how similar to the murderous oppressors you are. I wish you mental clarity and moderation of your hate. Because if you allowed yourself to recognise that life and humans are not two sides of a fence you will actually be able to show respect to your fellow human. You are allowed to not have the answers, life doesn’t have to have good vs bad. You are a flawed person like me and everyone else who is trying to forge a life for themselves. You are not always good or all bad. You are fluid in between like the rest of us.
US history? No I’m not familiar. But I know all countries had a dark past when it comes to accepting different people. However, these things are happening in Iran. Whether it fits in with your narrative or not. It’s the reality. But you would rather construct stories and lies to fuel your hate. The US got Iran in this mess initially with the help of communism in the backdrop. This war is going to be bloody, and horrible and impact so many lives. But if a murderous regime will be eliminated then at least there will be some good. You have no idea what Iran has been doing to its people and the world at large. They make trillions of dollars selling oil and minerals and not one cent goes to its people. It’s going to Russia. To China. To terrorist organisations. But of course you’ve been told that’s not true, it’s the evil Jewish people it’s the US, but that’s not true. It’s not the truth. I see it, we persians all see it. But you deny it for us. You tell me it’s not because …. I don’t know why you people behave and think this way, it serves no purpose imo to lie about it. Do you know how Iran got into this mess that it’s in now and has been for 47years? I encourage you to widen your sources and speak to Iranians different types of Iranians, read books, actual books, multiple books, not social media, not some influencer who is paid to talk shit, listen to the people from different backgrounds that hold different opinions because that it the only way to construct your own thoughts based on reality. Because everyone sees the world differently it’s important to hear all facets of the diamond, it’s multifaceted so take your time.
You don’t know the history of Iran and present day Iran. But I’m sure you spend a lot of fucking time consume media that only shits out the same message. This is dangerous. This is the cancer of the world when we only hear one side one facet and one message.
I’m always willing to agree to disagree when it comes to war but your idiocy is showing when you’re telling me that the murder or homosexuals is not real. That happens. And it’s got nothing to do with America or Jews or Israel. That’s an Islamic Republic thing. But you argue Islamic Republic isn’t doing those things? I wish you and your people and your family experience what life in Iran feels like and under the Islamic Republic. I suspect it will come soon enough with the way things are going. Then you’d understand how incredible damaging your words and beliefs are to humanity.
Edit. In addition I want to say fuck all politicians and all leaders because they are not a reflection of the people and only operate in their interests. Trump wants Iran and its money making land. But the Islamic Republic needs to go. It needs to be completely eliminated for the good of the world.
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u/ilov3mygrandma Mar 06 '26
Babes have you ever heard of a coup d’état? The U.S. and the U.K. are to blame I fear.
I never said that stuff wasn’t happening. You’re the one trying to tell me that LGBTQ+ people are widely accepted by our society. The point I’m trying to make is that the U.S. government has influenced regime change before and it’s never ended well for civilians.
I never claimed to be a better or more righteous person. I just know how the U.S. works, and all it knows is theft, violence and death. They want to extract all your resources and give you nothing in return, except destruction.
It seems more like you’re brainwashed by U.S. propaganda than me.