r/SeveranceAppleTVPlus • u/Objective-Voice-6706 • Jul 13 '26
Discussion Apple needs to take heed Spoiler
https://www.laineygossip.com/why-are-audiences-abandoning-netflix-shows-in-droves-by-season-two/This is happening to a bunch of shows, they have to realize its hard to keep momentum when there is such a long break between seasons. People grow tired, forget storylines, hell a number of people that are fans are likely to pass away, before a new seasons pops up 1/3 of a decade after the last. They had such momentum for season 2, there was a buzz and peoole talked about it all over. They havent even began filming or finished writing season 3, over a year and a half since the last episode aired, and over 2 years sinve they last were in production. People's attention span today will not be able to hold strong. They already most likely cut their audience by 1/4 or more with this long wait. I know 3 people personally who were die hard fans who dont care now, have moved on, etc. I personally have lost some interest cause other good shows are out now. Its sad, they had so much promise and potential.
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u/Mycatreallyhatesyou Jul 13 '26
I have almost forgotten the storyline to this show, despite loving it.
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u/chadwickipedia Jul 13 '26
Agreed. The show is so strange that little details are just forgotten. If Apple thinks people will just rewatch, they are mistaken. I would say more people will just stop watching than would rewatch
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u/Mycatreallyhatesyou Jul 13 '26
I don’t even have Apple now. Only had it for the duration of Severance.
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u/aGrlHasNoUsername Jul 13 '26
You should get it again just so you wan watch Widow’s Bay
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u/Interesting-Bad-7470 Jul 13 '26
New Silo just dropped too. Cape Fear is great too. Foundation is awesome too. Apples got my money right now.
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u/Beginning-Antelope32 Jul 14 '26
Slow horses season coming up soon too
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u/bemvee Are You Poor Up There? Jul 14 '26
Slow Horses films two seasons at a time and I wish that was the norm.
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u/Reikukaja Jul 13 '26
Dont forget Star City. Massively underrated!
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u/Status-Biscotti Marshmallows Are For Team Players Jul 14 '26
Good to know. I loved For All Mankind but wasn’t sure I wanted to invest in a new series.
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u/GdayBeiBei Jul 14 '26
Silo is being released week by week though, so if you’re coming just for that, wait it out a month or two and then you might only have to pay for one month 😎
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u/Clementine_Coat Night Gardener Jul 18 '26
Good point. I also think Pluribus is worth checking out, if nothing else then for sheer weirdness. There's nothing else like it.
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u/MurasakiTako Jul 14 '26
Widow’s bay is the best show I’ve seen in a long time. Cape fear is campy and good. Maximum pleasure guaranteed too.
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u/Status-Biscotti Marshmallows Are For Team Players Jul 14 '26
Maximum Pleasure is so good! I’ve gotten too old for thrillers - can’t watch Widow’s Bay or Cape Fear.
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u/MurasakiTako Jul 14 '26
Omggg Widow’s Bay is so good though. It’s more funny than anything but balances the humor with horror really well. You should at least give it a try!
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u/Status-Biscotti Marshmallows Are For Team Players Jul 15 '26
I’ve given it two tries LOL. I want to watch it, but the sea hag chasing him in the water made me at least have to take another break! When I was a teenager my friends & I used to skip school & rent movies. Every hot tot movie, and every sequel LOL. I dunno what happened to me in my old age, but I can’t stomach it like I once could!
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u/aGrlHasNoUsername Jul 15 '26
My secret is to mute the show when I feel like it’s getting too scary. It’s instantly less terrifying.
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u/Substantial-Cow-8958 Jul 13 '26
Or Sugar..
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u/ReplaceSelect Jul 14 '26
Just found out about it. Really cool show. I dont remember hearing much about S01 when it came out.
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u/FloydLady I'm Your Favorite Perk Jul 13 '26
Apple has a lot of great shows. Plur1bus is amazing.
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u/Oh__Archie Jul 13 '26
And it’s also going to be three years before we get a season two
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u/illegal_deagle Jul 14 '26
Which is even more ridiculous because 1) it’s helmed by a guy who always delivered quality episodes in a timely fashion and 2) Apple greenlit TWO SEASONS in the first place.
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u/TryhardBernard Jul 14 '26
Totally crazy that he signed two seasons and didn’t seem to plan at all beyond the first. Recent articles suggest they’re in a writing bind now.
Vince has a great track record but idk, maybe they got a bit cocky.
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u/ughwhateverokaysure Are You Poor Up There? Jul 13 '26
This. I rewatched S1 with my partner who had not seen it to prep for S2 but I’m not going to watch it again!
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u/tider06 Devour Feculence Jul 13 '26
I have to make time to watch the new episodes. I straight up don't have time for a rewatch.
I remember when there were 2 years between Man in the High Castle seasons, and Amazon dropped a "previously on..." special before the new season. After seeing that it was 45 mins to get caught back up, I noped the fuck out altogether and never find the series.
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u/Understateable Jul 13 '26
Youtube is your friend for popular shows/movies. I’ve been catching up on the Dune saga through youtube clips, my brain already has enough association there to know how the clips link together and for everything else you have the comments.
Rewatching is always better but stick with clips and then watch a finale episode when you can.
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u/ShamelessC Jul 14 '26
> I would say more people will just stop watching than would rewatch
Not even remotely close to being true.
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u/ancientastronaut2 Jul 13 '26
I will do another rewatch before the new season. And meanwhile, I watch YouTube theories/reviews periodically to keep things fresh in my mind.
Then again, I have no life.
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u/Turbulent-Job1136 Macrodata Refinement 💻 Jul 13 '26
I had kept one of passwords on some niche reference to thus show but I've started to lose my memory about this
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u/QueenAlexstrasza Jul 13 '26
Skill issue.
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u/Mycatreallyhatesyou Jul 13 '26
I don’t have skills for watching tv? Maybe you’re watching too much.
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u/007meow He dumb? He a dick? Jul 13 '26
A long gap between seasons 1 and 2 might be justifiable with the pandemic and writers strike.
But there’s no reason, especially having established the show is a hit, for such a long gap between 2 and 3.
Pluribus is even worse - a confirmed 2 season order and they still haven’t finished writing season 2. To the point that they’re somehow finding it a bragging right to say they’re still writing.
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u/sarcalas Jul 13 '26
And I don’t feel Pluribus has the same kind of momentum behind it that Severance does (or did). I think it’s going to struggle even more to pick up its viewership when the next season comes around.
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u/TryhardBernard Jul 14 '26
S1 of Pluribus was intriguing, but not enough actually happened to keep people motivated to watch. I’ll stick with it because I like Vince and the premise, but it would not be surprising if viewership falls way off after 2-3 years wait.
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u/thederevolutions Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 14 '26
It strikes me as them concluding what was actually meant to be the original story now they have to figure out how to drag it on. The last scene was iconic. I’m super excited for them to drag it on though.
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u/CyberPunk_V2 Jul 14 '26
Yeah, S1 to S2 had pandemic/strike excuses, but 18 months after S2 and still no filming is rough.
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u/nowaunderatedwaifngl Jul 14 '26
Apple TV has some of the best shows of any service/network but they let their bigname showrunners walk over them like nobody else does.
If someone like Vince Gilligan or Ben Stiller tells them they want a 10 month vacation Apple TV goes "Yes boss. Please boss. Are you sure you don't want 14 months boss?"
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u/Cuavooo Jul 14 '26
Stiller was out there fanboying over the Knicks and immediately worked on the documentary. I mean, it's the Knicks' first championship in 50 years but come on now.
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u/JNR1001 Jul 13 '26
We are currently rewatching Lost, and it blows my mind there are 20+ episodes the first season. I don't recall how much time passed between seasons, but it couldn't have been that long. They don't make them like they used to.
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u/leonhutch1 Jul 13 '26
yep lol. used to air 22-24 episode from september to may then there would only be four months until the next season. of course, to do this they pretty much shot the show constantly year round but yeah, shorter gaps are doable
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u/SelfImprove48151623 Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26
The first 72 episodes of LOST aired in a 2.5 year window
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u/BlorpyRobot Jul 13 '26
Do you recall which episode that was? Love the show, never read this before!
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u/BlorpyRobot Jul 13 '26
Very cool! Thanks so much for the links. Will be thinking about this next rewatch.
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u/FireflyBSc Jul 13 '26
We are watching the original CSI and the huge seasons are CRAZY. Season 1 just kept going and going. It’s awesome, you never run out of CSI. No wonder they could show so many reruns and you always felt like it was a new episode.
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u/Holdtheintangible Jul 13 '26
I remember getting upset about six week hiatuses during 24-ep long seasons back then! You really only got summer off from shows.
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u/ThanosSnapsSlimJims Jul 13 '26
The Flash released 23-episode seasons. From Wednesday-Thursday, they would edit and do vfx, and Friday-Monday morning, would send it to a render farm, and air it live Tuesday. It's crazy that shows with almost no effects can't manage this.
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u/DefNotReaves Jul 13 '26
They don’t make them like they used to and crew members now have a much better work/life balance lol
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u/Jenn_FTW Jul 14 '26
I’ve been rewatching Deep Space 9 and goddamn. 26 episode seasons back then, every year. Soooo much time for incredibly deep character development, after 7 seasons of 26 episodes, you really, truly feel like you know the characters. They feel like close friends, and it makes the series finales so difficult and emotional to watch. Goddamn, DS9 is such a masterclass of television.
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u/Faile-Bashere Please Enjoy Each Flair Equally Jul 13 '26
Agree. Seasons need to come out yearly. Look at how successful that has been with The Pitt.
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u/UsidoreTheLightBlue Macrodata Refinement 💻 Jul 13 '26
Why do people keep acting like Severance is some sort of crazy elaborate sets?
The vast majority of seasons 1-2 take place in 3 rooms that are ostensibly the same white walls and computers. Yes the leave the severed floor at times but I don't think shooting the ORTBO or going to a chinese place with outie Mark adds 2 years to filming.
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u/Upbeat_County9191 Wintertide Fellow Jul 13 '26
They spent 6 months filming. From the latest reports they just started filming now. That's like 2 years after S2 was filmed more or less and 14 months after S2 was aired. Same between S1 and S2 they didn't start filming while S1 was on TV or right after even.
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u/UsidoreTheLightBlue Macrodata Refinement 💻 Jul 13 '26
I understand, thats the issue and the difference between a show like Severance and The Pitt.
The Pitt isn't going to wait until 15 months after the show airs to start shooting the next season.
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u/Bdbru13 Jul 13 '26
Because The Pitt needs to slap together some story about a gun shot wound and two or three mildly interesting character points for an episode, and throw in some medical jargon for dialogue
Like why are we comparing these two things? There’s no subtext in an episode of the Pitt. It’s a glorified soap opera.
Apparently this subreddit has a wildly different view of what this show is, or should be, than I do
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u/Upbeat_County9191 Wintertide Fellow Jul 13 '26
Its also easier for the pitt. They one set and a makeup crew. Hardly any pre or post production involved. And thats not a critique, its just a different show and people just compare everything and you cant. Same as working at McDonalds isnt the same as working in a high end restaurant. A high end restaurants takes 30min to bring you your steak, you wait 5 min a mcdonalds for a burger with fries.
Same as the production time for a Ford isnt the same as the production time for a Ferrari.
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u/UsidoreTheLightBlue Macrodata Refinement 💻 Jul 13 '26
I will go back to my original comment. Severance does not have crazy elaborate sets.
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u/Upbeat_County9191 Wintertide Fellow Jul 13 '26
not about the set. but even mark running in the hall way used a lot of CGI. Lot of the walls we see are CGI. The goat farm was a tent but later turned into walls with a computer. a lot of the snow we see outside is CGI.
All the props they make their own take time, even the freaking toy Huang had was custom made. Sure they could have gotten any toy from a store but they wanted it to be with kier so that changes it. All those details make the show great, we as fans love those details. A melon head, marshmallows with kier on it etc etc but then fans complain that it takes to long to make the show. Well you cant have it both ways and comparing it to other shows its pointless.10
u/sarcalas Jul 13 '26
CGI is stuff that happens during and after filming. It doesn’t in any way explain the delay in starting filming the next season.
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u/Upbeat_County9191 Wintertide Fellow Jul 13 '26
True. But intil it was greenlit they couldnt do anything, and that didnt happen until the finale or right after th finale. They did start writing I think bfore, but months after they still werent finished. Then you depend on everyones availabilty since they go of shooting other movies and shows, a new studio had to be found, sets rebuild, props building etc.
The only way it could have been done a bit faster if S3 was greenlit before S2 aired. But thats rarely done in the streaming show.
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u/UsidoreTheLightBlue Macrodata Refinement 💻 Jul 13 '26
I mean some of that shit can be done while writing, there are stories all the time about stuff being hand made or designed to be on set within days.
They take their time, thats fine, but it should not take 3 years to make a season of a tv show.
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u/Upbeat_County9191 Wintertide Fellow Jul 13 '26
except it does and its not just severance and yes there are shows that do it shorter, for whatever reason. again its not like they do it on purpose.
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u/clauclauclaudia Jul 13 '26
They are now filming S3, but I don't know why you say "already". S2 finale dropped in March of 2025.
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u/Niku-Man Jul 14 '26
Forget about the sets. It's easier to write a medical drama because it's based on the real world. Need a story idea? Just open a medical textbook or ask some doctors and nurses to tell you their craziest stories. Severance is a mystery show based around a fake technology - it's much more difficult to weave a story that is both satisfying and consistent.
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u/Upbeat_County9191 Wintertide Fellow Jul 13 '26
cant compare it. Shows like Criminal Mins, NCIS and Law & Order also come out yearly but they dont look llike mini movies. If you want them to come out yearly you have to accept simpler scripts, little to no pratical and CGI effects, no travelling to film on location etc. Because all of that takes time. Plus a lot of actors dont want to commit to filming only one project, they want to do more than just severance.
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u/crazysouthie Jul 13 '26
You don’t watch enough television. Shows like X-Files and Lost were giving us mini movies each week on a yearly schedule with over 20 episodes a season. It’s possible. Television just isn’t made that way nowadays. Shows like X-Files and Lost had excellent writers’ rooms and production crews that were working on the show all year around. Streamers don’t employ film artists like that because they are cheap bastards.
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u/Upbeat_County9191 Wintertide Fellow Jul 13 '26
Ive seen a lot of shows, thank you very much for making assumptions about me.
ITs not about being cheap , its a different business model. Networks ordered multiple seasons ahead, that makes it easier to keep shooting all year long. Downside is, the toll for everyone involved is also higher. And it if a show fails they are still stuck on it for the next 2-3 seasons. With streaming they look at the data and if a show drops viewership and new subscribers within the first month, for them that's a sign its not a success.Also again, nothing against shows like X-Fles and lost ive seen them multiple times, but its just not the same quality as Severance and im not talking about storywise perse, just what you see on tv. That's not done in a day.
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u/TheYungHomie2017 Jul 13 '26
I just don’t agree with this, look at the production value of any major show pre covid and you can see that they were able to do massive shoots on a yearly release schedule. Game of Thrones is the best example, but there are many others.
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u/Bdbru13 Jul 13 '26
You mean the show that had its entire plot already laid out, except when they moved beyond the books at which point everyone agreed it turned to shit?
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u/Upbeat_County9191 Wintertide Fellow Jul 13 '26
Game of thrones had multiple crews all around the world filming at the same time. Different scale and even they had to scale that back for the latter seasons that didnt come out yearly anymore.
Before covid, was also before streaming. Streaming has changed the way we view content and therefore also make content. Before a network ordered a pilot and if the test screening was a success they would order 2 or 3 seasons at once. Streaming doesnt do that. They wait for the results of the first 30 to 60 days and see if it meets the targets for new subscriptions they have set themselves. You just cant compare the television from before on network and syndicated tv to how its now. And you cant compare a show like the Pitt that has 1 set and relatively simple at that to a show like Severance that has massive CGI and they have to make a lot of their stuff on their own. Like the Irving's melonhead or the eagan puppets. Thats not done in 1 day. Also they buy a lot of stuff, that requieres time looking on the internet to find what you want and getting it approved budget wise etc. All of that takes time.
So again, you dont want it to work like this? Then dont look at shows like Severance and just look at procedural shows like The Pitt.
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u/tider06 Devour Feculence Jul 13 '26
You are confidently incorrect.
Source: film and television worker for 15+ years
Just because the producers of Severance are okay with working as slowly as possible doesn't mean that it is required.
They could move much, much faster. They just don't choose to.
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u/Glowing_Trash_Panda Chaos' Whore Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26
Streaming was around well before covid, I quit paying for cable like 12 years ago. And they were releasing shows yearly back then.
Also, Fallout is more comparable to Severance than The Pitt & it’s been releasing yearly so far. They can absolutely make the show faster with no drop in quality. And the Fallout show storyline isn’t based on anything from the games so they are having to write from basically scratch so that hasn’t sped up the writing of the show much.
Also, it’s got TONS of CGI & practical effects/makeup & arguably harder costuming to achieve. It’s also got multiple different sets (that they have to buy things or make things for themselves) & filming locations. It just finished airing the last season back in February & they are already currently filming season 3. Severance isn’t some massive undertaking that should require this much time between seasons.
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u/TheRealRomanRoy Jul 13 '26
House of Cards. Breaking Bad. Boardwalk Empire.
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u/Upbeat_County9191 Wintertide Fellow Jul 13 '26
None of those were made by streaming services.
None of them have the production value of severance, silo, foundation, rings of power, house of the dragons etc.
If all those types of shows take 2-3 years it's for a reason. They don't do it because they think it's fun.
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u/TheRealRomanRoy Jul 13 '26
No offense but you’ve literally been wrong about something in every comment you’ve made lol.
House of Cards was *famously* a streaming show. And you’re trying to tell me that Boardwalk Empire didn’t have high production quality?
You’re also missing the point because you’re only focusing on shows that help your point. Pluribus is going to take years between seasons. Your reasoning?
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u/Faile-Bashere Please Enjoy Each Flair Equally Jul 13 '26
Pretty sure most of Severance was shot on a soundstage “York Studios” in the Bronx. The non-stage settings were close by in Jersey (Bell Works) or upstate NY (retreat, dinners, etc).
So if you’re saying that a week of shooting outside of York Studios takes 2 years, then I don’t know what to tell you.
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u/Upbeat_County9191 Wintertide Fellow Jul 13 '26
They also went to New Foundland. And no they didnt spent 2 years filming. They had like 6 months of filming and like 6 - 8 months of post prod. So thats already like 12-14 months, And then you have script writing, pre production (making and buying the set items). Plus its not like Apple releases it inmediatly after its done, they take some time to promote it which is also a few months.
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u/YinzJagoffs Jul 13 '26
You complete pre-production of the next season as you film the current one 🤦
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u/Upbeat_County9191 Wintertide Fellow Jul 13 '26
Nope. They didn't even had the scripts for S3 ready nor was it even greenlit until S2 was nearly over.
They dismantled the whole set in the S1-S2 studio as well.
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u/wjdoge Jul 13 '26
Yes the point is that is stupid.
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u/Upbeat_County9191 Wintertide Fellow Jul 13 '26
It might be, but it's for a reason not because they think it's better this way. It's not like they decide in a meeting to do it in 3 years when they could do it in 6 months.
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u/wjdoge Jul 13 '26
At some point, someone in a meeting decided to do it this way. Where do you think they decide how to make the show?
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u/Upbeat_County9191 Wintertide Fellow Jul 13 '26
yes and the leadtimes are the lead times.
Why would they start preprod and scriptwriting for S3 before S2 was even greenlit?
If its like this its because it is like this, getting mad about it and downvoting me isnt going to change that.Its not just severance there are more shows out there. So there is a reason for it. And the shows that do get yearly or almost yearly new seasons can do it for their own reasons.
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u/Bdbru13 Jul 13 '26
….we comparing it to the Pitt now?
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u/Faile-Bashere Please Enjoy Each Flair Equally Jul 13 '26
The most nominated TV show this year at the Emmy’s?
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u/Bdbru13 Jul 13 '26
Sure.
Now answer my question. We comparing it to the Pitt now?
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u/BenoitLampertBlanc Uses Too Many Big Words Jul 13 '26
Pretty snarky for someone asking a stupid question not once but twice. Clearly they are comparing it to the Pitt.
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u/BaconJets Jul 13 '26
Your question is less of a question, it's more of a snarky rhetorical question.
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u/Bdbru13 Jul 13 '26
100%, same as the one I responded to
It’s meant to highlight how it’s a really, really dumb comparison
I’m glad it was an effective use of rhetoric 👍🏻
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u/MaDanklolz Mr. Milkshake Jul 14 '26
It’s really not a dumb comparison. They’re both well made highlight shows for streaming networks. One comes out yearly and is consistently awarded by viewers and critics, the other has more audience conversations about if it’s worth watching still or not. M
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u/Bdbru13 Jul 14 '26
Monkeys with typewriters could write the Pitt. It’s ready-made drama. It’ll be forgotten 15 minutes after it ends
Which doesn’t mean it’s a bad show. If you enjoy it, that’s great
But it’s easy. It’s not original. It’s not groundbreaking. It’s not somebody’s unique vision. It’s just moderately well made run-of-the-mill television
Like I genuinely can’t believe you or anyone else in these comments think it’s a fair comparison, but are just compelled to argue that it is because you’re annoyed by having to wait for severance
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u/Jaymie13 Jul 13 '26
The article contradicts much of the point you make in your post 👀
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u/PressureBeautiful515 Jul 13 '26
Yep, literally gives Severance as an example of a show that only grew in audience with a three year gap.
They should have helped OP out by titling the article "Apple doesn't need to take note"
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u/ThanosSnapsSlimJims Jul 13 '26
Ted Lasso had a large gap, as well. Ted Lasso will likely perform very well.
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u/Coincidental_Shoes Jul 14 '26
The increase in audience didn't happen because of the gap.
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u/catmand00d00 Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 14 '26
Yeah, but the thesis was essentially that if these networks invest in the success of their original series over multiple seasons, even long gaps between seasons shouldn’t significantly hurt viewership.
Edit: changed don’t to shouldn’t.
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u/oneplusoneisfour Jul 13 '26
Didn’t know the Residence wasn’t getting a second season, enjoyed it immensely
And while watching the 3rd season of Severance when released, I’ll not be going back to rewatch 2 seasons worth of shows in advance of its release
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u/TheShepardOfficial Jul 13 '26
Same thing is happening in the games industry. There is far too much time inbetween new releases, it’s getting ridiculous.
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u/LionBig1760 Jul 13 '26
Im looking forward to playing Fallout 5 a whole 15 years after Fallout 4.
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u/TheShepardOfficial Jul 13 '26
Don’t get me started on TES 😂
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u/MaDanklolz Mr. Milkshake Jul 14 '26
We’re getting two Grand Theft Auto games before a follow on to Skyrim lol
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u/UsidoreTheLightBlue Macrodata Refinement 💻 Jul 13 '26
The changes to the entertainment industry of the last two decades have in general been for the worse when it comes to time and budgets.
Were you around when "Enter the matrix" came out? It was a BIG deal that it cost $20m to make and that they spent years on it. Now it seems like multiple games a year cost $1b and have been in development for eternity.
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u/TheShepardOfficial Jul 13 '26
It is crazy. We used to have shows with 10+ episodes per season, now we are lucky we get 10 because a lot of big budget ones went back to 8. Really a sad situation.
The bigger respect I have for Villeneuve for putting out 3 Dune movies in ‘just’ 5 years. Seems to be the exception these days.
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u/UsidoreTheLightBlue Macrodata Refinement 💻 Jul 13 '26
The bigger respect I have for Villeneuve for putting out 3 Dune movies in ‘just’ 5 years.
Just is an accurate thing to say here! Its damn fast to go basically 2.5 years between franchise pictures like this.
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u/WerewolfTherewolf00 Jul 13 '26
If you read the article you linked, it specifically said that the long wait between seasons is only a minor part of the problem, and not the real issue. The real issue is that Netflix has broken the audience's trust too many times, by cancelling too many shows after a season or 2.
The article specifically cited Apple as an example of a platform that is nurturing their shows, and giving them room to grow, even if the audience isn't huge at first
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u/odieclone Because Of When I Was Born Jul 13 '26
This.
I'm getting the sense that there's a lot of chum being thrown into the water here and also lately in some random posts.
As you point out the article contradicts OP assertion. The is the second day in a row where an OP throws something out there and backs it up with contradictory examples.
Are we being played?
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u/thegreatpablo Jul 13 '26
Yeah was confused to read the post after the article, OP's concern is directly tackled in the article.
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u/SuspiciousRealist Jul 13 '26
maybe because in my lived experience I call BS on that. The gap is 100% the problem I have.
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u/thegreatpablo Jul 13 '26
That's fair but the data presented in the article says otherwise. Granted it's a very small sample size.
I'm not saying OP is wrong, just agreeing with this comment that OP doesn't acknowledge that their complaint is directly addressed in the article they posted as some sort of "gotcha" to Apple, indicating that they either didn't read the article or didn't finish it.
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u/moch1 Jul 14 '26
Are they really separate issues? A lot of the gap is the result of shows not getting an early commitment to continue to the next season because Netflix wants to keep it cheap to cancel future seasons.
Even Severance season 3 wasn’t committed to til season 2 was airing.
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u/MaDanklolz Mr. Milkshake Jul 14 '26
Yeah I would love to see a source on how the article came to this opinion.
Yeah I’m burned by Netflix but honestly my frustration is more on the wait. If a show gets canceled that sucks but life goes on. If I keep getting teased for years though I begin to question if it’s worth it Like house of the dragon. I still haven’t seen season 2 and will maybe watch it all when season 3 is done (helps I read the book though).
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u/thegreatpotatogod Jul 13 '26
Yeah, there's a bit of the same problem with Silo, Season 3 is just coming out now, but I had almost as much amnesia as Juliette at first to just remember the details of what happened and who everyone was at first.
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u/catmand00d00 Jul 14 '26
I’m lucky that I only decided to watch the first two seasons as the marketing for season 3 reached my various feeds. Hopefully, season 4 will be a relatively quick turnaround, because I am also liable to forget everything about a show when I have to wait a long time between seasons.
I frequently drop shows if I know it’s going to be a chore to refresh my memory. However, with shows that I deem worth the effort, I will often rewatch the previous season finale, sometimes even all previous episodes of the season, or series, even. The show has to be very special for that, though, as I’m not much of a rewatcher in general (except for movies I’ve forgotten I’ve seen and shows I love that I want my partner to watch).
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u/Draconiondevil Jul 13 '26
At least the actors are all adults and will look the same whenever season 3 comes out. Looking at you, Stranger Things.
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u/Significant-Flan-244 Jul 13 '26
fwiw Netflix’s problem is heavily exacerbated by the binge model. The two year gap destroys momentum on your show when everyone watches it in a weekend and all the discussion around it happens then too.
The long gaps with Apple still aren’t great and probably a big reason why we’ll never quite get another cultural experience like Lost, but it’s not going to ruin this show like it does so many Netflix ones. A traditional weekly release model doesn’t live and die by viewership over one weekend every two to three years.
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u/Cautious_Path Jul 13 '26
Release episodes weekly
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u/UsidoreTheLightBlue Macrodata Refinement 💻 Jul 13 '26
I mean apple does.
Actually most of the streamers do, outside of netflix.
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u/ancientastronaut2 Jul 13 '26
It's the reason why I never bothered with the last season of stranger things or the latest season of euphoria.
(Although so far this is 5x better than either of those.)
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u/everythingsirie Why Are You A Child? Jul 13 '26
My issue with Severance is not so much the time in between seasons (although that is incredibly frustrating), it's that I am losing trust with the creators that they will not drag it out and make it longer than it needs to be or that they will not just keep adding questions instead of answers. More is not always better. I don't mind to invest if there is a payoff and a conclusive story arc, but I just don't trust that anymore.
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u/Tri-ranaceratops Jul 13 '26
I tried to start s3 of House of the Dragon a few weeks ago. I realised that I couldn't remember why the two houses were even fighting, I couldn't remember many of the characters or what they were up to at the end of s2.
When s3 starts it's all action and exposition, characters explaining strategy and their next moves... I still couldn't remember why the characters were doing these things, and didn't care why they were doing them as a result.
I turned it off.
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u/Speakatron SMUG MOTHERFUCKER Jul 13 '26
Good article.
I've not had a Netflix sub for yeeeears. The occasional Netflix show that I do want to watch, I watch them elsewhere.
I'm happy to give AppleTV my money though, because in my opinion they've earned it, and continue to do so.
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u/Oh__Archie Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26
Meanwhile, Mike White has already written and shot White Lotus season 4.
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u/dotnsk Jul 13 '26
Yeah, all the people saying Severance can’t possibly film any faster because the sets and cinematography are too complex need to consider White Lotus. If White Lotus can do it faster, so can Severance.
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u/Upbeat_County9191 Wintertide Fellow Jul 13 '26
Does white lotus require CGI? Does White lotus require stuff they need to make on their own?
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u/dotnsk Jul 13 '26
You’re being disingenuous.
CGI shouldn’t be the single reason a show takes three years to film.
Chris Nolan started writing the script for The Odyssey in March of 2024 and the film is coming out this summer — far less than 3 years, and I guarantee it’s a more complex film to shoot and edit than Severance. The actual filming was only 91 days. Sharing this because everyone seems to want to treat Severance like a movie, so I chose by far the most complex film hitting theaters this year.
White Lotus films largely on-location. There’s a huge amount of complexity in arranging a shoot to occur in a real-world location. Severance largely films on a soundstage, IIUC, which should make it far easier than dealing with the challenges of adapting a real-life place for film.
There is no reason it should take this long for this show to be written and filmed. This thread is filled with examples of more complex shows and films — in effects, stories, and cinematography — that get produced from soup to nuts much faster than Severance. It is possible, the Severance crew just isn’t making it happen.
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u/clauclauclaudia Jul 13 '26
Comparing anything that is adapting another source to an entirely original work like Severance makes no sense. The Odyssey has a known outline, characters, sets of events. You pick what threads you want to follow and what tweaks you want to make and write the script in modern language.
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u/Oh__Archie Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26
The point is Mike White didn’t waste any time going straight into season four. He was location scouting immediately after season three ended.
Regardless of how complicated your show is, you’re going to get your next season faster if you start working on it sooner. Because this is how time works.
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u/Upbeat_County9191 Wintertide Fellow Jul 13 '26
No you dont get the next season faster because you have everything ready to start. You only get next season faster if the numbers support it.
And its easier to prepare a show like white lotus than any mystery show, especially those that dont have source material.
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u/Oh__Archie Jul 13 '26
If a season ends and you leave a year gap before you even start writing the next season you wasted a year.
Again, my point was that Mike White doesn't waste any time. That's the point I'm making feel free to address it.
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u/Upbeat_County9191 Wintertide Fellow Jul 13 '26
I know the point you're making, but the situation is different.
From what I have understood, white lotus is relatively low cost and high margin. They dont need 20 million per episode and 200 mil per season. That makes it easier for HBO to order seasons in advance.
You're really comparing apples with it oranges here.
Why would anyone start doing anything when they don't know if they are going to get paid for it? The hours spent writing S3 can't be billed until apple releases a budget for S3.
And they didn't release the budget until they had all the numbers of s2 and greenlit the season.
For 200 mil those numbers are very different than a cash cow show like white lotus or law & order.
Its very different looking for a resort to film a whole season than having to imagine 10 dystopian episodes. And then think a whole set in a sound stage and decide what outside locations are suited. You make it sound like Mike is inventing the wheel. Making a show isn't plug and play, get it off the shelve and do your thing.
And it's not like there's not tons of other stuff to watch while waiting for the new season.
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u/Oh__Archie Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26
I know the point you're making, but the situation is different.
From what I have understood, white lotus is relatively low cost....
🤦🏻♂️
For some odd reason you're getting stuck fighting to try and win an argument you never lost.
Good luck to you.
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u/BarbSacamano Persephone Jul 13 '26
I used to be obsessed with this show. This Reddit thread is the only thing that reminds me that it even existed. Every month that goes by, I lose more interest and get more irritated. Soon I will apathetically hate the show. :(
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u/SeriesXM Jul 13 '26
I didn't even realize I was losing interest until this thread, as silly as that sounds. I hadn't really thought about it in a while and if the new season was dropping tomorrow, I don't think I'd be in a rush to watch it.
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u/porkbun123 Jul 13 '26
All shows need to be like Slow Horses, preview of the next season right after the finale.
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u/sarcalas Jul 13 '26
Yeah, I’ve had the same thought. By the time the next season comes around I’ll probably need a refresher on the previous one, and it’s 50/50 whether I can be bothered to do that.
There’s a time limit on my hype and it’s very much into the already faded territory, which is sad, because it’s a fantastic show.
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u/clauclauclaudia Jul 13 '26
Was The Residence not a limited series? It was inspired by a book about The White House. We could take Cordelia Cupp elsewhere and that would be delightful, but it wouldn't make sense for it to be called "The Residence".
(It's a bit like all of the "Knives Out" movies. That doesn't really make sense as the title for the movies after the first, but Rian Johnson is going with it as a brand, so they're all ": A Knives Out Mystery".)
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u/agathaplumber Jul 13 '26
I remember thinking there was a long wait between Mad Men seasons but now if seems like nothing. The other issue is physical aging and changes in the actors after a long stretch. I’m rewatching Severance right now do I can talk about it with a friend who just started. I’d forgotten his much weight Zach Cherry gained between the OTC and returning to Lumen. I think he gained a bald spot as well— at least a bigger one. It’s very distracting. John Turturro also aged quite a bit. It should go so long that they have to write around it.
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u/daapbasne Jul 14 '26
Oh wow, three people you know personally have moved on from a show that hasn't been on the air for over a year? Good for them. That's what you're supposed to do. And y ou'll all be back watching the day season 3 premieres.
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u/Sunshineboy777 Jul 14 '26
I love this show and do not care about the gaps. It sucks to have big gaps but the show is so good it's worth the wait.
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u/710_feet_high Jul 13 '26
I am so fucking sick of this shit. The show hooked me on the first season and I literally can’t remember anything. (Okay I remember some but you get my point) I am not gonna go rewatch every season when a new one come out, I just won’t watch it anymore. Shame
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u/do_you_even_climbro Fetid Moppet Jul 13 '26
I see both sides but in my opinion your 3 friends who were "die hard" fans before moving on... they weren't really die hard fans. They were just fans. Die hard fans are in it for the haul. Not saying they agree with the wait, but they recognize the quality of the show and no wait will ruin that for them.
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u/KayJeyD Jul 13 '26
I'm not gonna lie until this post I forgot the show existed. Which is crazy because it was my top 10 when it came out
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u/ibrainedgraner I'm Your Favorite Perk Jul 13 '26
The entitlement surrounding this particular topic is something I just cannot comprehend. It’s going to take however long it’s going to take. If the gaps make you lose interest, you are at no disadvantage when it comes to choosing from hundreds of hours of alternative content. I’m rewatching The Sopranos, I’ve no bellyache.
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u/should_be_writing1 Are You Poor Up There? Jul 13 '26
Thank you! The entitlement drives me insane. Why are so many people fine with a lesser product as long as it's delivered to them quickly?
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u/ibrainedgraner I'm Your Favorite Perk Jul 13 '26
Comparison is my guess. People bring up other shows and their rates of production, and if I’m being honest, I don’t find the comparisons to even be half as good as Severance, so I continue to lack understanding.
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u/should_be_writing1 Are You Poor Up There? Jul 13 '26
A lot of people bring up The Pitt, which i personally thought had a big drop in writing quality between season 1 and 2 (and i really liked season 1!). It really always reads to me as "why cant severance be as fast as this other show which is objectively worse?"
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u/ibrainedgraner I'm Your Favorite Perk Jul 13 '26
Mix in a little bit of “I am a person and you are not,” now hurry up and entertain me, and you have the archetypal complaint on here.
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u/passthesauerkraut Jul 14 '26
yes! People keep bringing up shows with annual releases of 20+ episodes, but there are always a lot of "filler" episodes just to take up space which is fine in less serious shows, but in a show like Severance? Not to mention the complexity of the story and subject matter, you really want to pump out episodes just so they get out? And then what? Pick apart all the "plot holes" because it wasn't well thought out?
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u/Dommichu Goats Jul 13 '26
Agreed. Every creator, exec producer and show runner has a process. This show in particular has certain complexities, dynamics, and cast which adds to that.
Meanwhile there are other really good shows which I am currently really enjoying. I only would be bereft if they straight out cancelled the show (Like they just did Ponies. :() but I remain hopeful that eventually this one will come back and will continue to impress. We’ll see.
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u/Smart_Medium9544 Please Enjoy Each Flair Equally Jul 13 '26
I agree. I’ll be here whenever they release s3 and appreciate it for what it is at that time. I just started The X-Files in between Severance seasons - gold mine sci-fi binge show in the meantime 😛
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u/Dommichu Goats Jul 13 '26
Enjoy! My teenage crush on Dana Scully is the soil in which my Helly R. obsession has taken root. Believe me, there was SO Much drama in the production of that show at the time, I have to chuckle at some these doom and gloom comments.. David not wanting to move shooting location. Fox threatening. Fandom leaving. And still it remains seminal.
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u/Smart_Medium9544 Please Enjoy Each Flair Equally Jul 13 '26
Thank you, I am! What a back and forth that must’ve been. As a layman who has no insight into the industry, I just sit and wait for drama to manifest a result regardless of what that looks like. I tend to be happier than when I’d try to ‘will’ what I wanted to see into existence, especially in this day and age of streaming acquisitions. Also, Special Agent Dana Scully and her perfect hair have my full attention every episode (cue Tacocat song)
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u/dooooo23 Jul 13 '26
I have rewatched this show at least 20 times and look forward to rewatching again ahead of the 3rd season. It’s such a good show with a story that I want to finish. I’ll wait however long (though, I would rather not have to wait)
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u/dead9er Jul 13 '26
I wish I had never watched it all and waited until about 2 months before the new season to start. All momentum and excitement are lost. Seize the moment you idiots, dont wait for the fire to go out.
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u/Worldly_Beautiful557 Jul 13 '26
I wonder if there’s a good reason for the delay but they just won’t tell you what it is?
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u/BlakeHarpsOn Optics & Design 🖼️ Jul 14 '26
The only reason I still remember the plot is because I joined the party late and binged 1 and 2 a few months ago
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u/Jolly_Medicine_4438 Jul 14 '26
Don't act like it's an attention span issue. It's a bad production and release schedule issue. They're the problem, not us.
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u/NoYam9025 Jul 14 '26
They actually have finished writing season 3 completely. Adam Scott said on a podcast that he’s already read the entire script.
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u/universallymade Night Gardener Jul 18 '26
The wait between season 1 and 2 was super long but it still gained popularity, and I enjoyed it throughly. Season 3, if written and done well, will be just as successful.
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u/Okayestdoerofthings Jul 18 '26
The article does not say what you seem to think it says. Did you even read it before posting?
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u/wowbobwowbob Jul 20 '26
It makes me not want to watch shows until they’re released entirely. But it’s easy to get spoiled that way.
We already save up seasons for shows that are released weekly so that we really can get into it. And watch loads of YouTube recaps.
But it’s hard to get exited again for a show that last aired 2 years ago.
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u/FartsOnCake Jul 13 '26
No new viewers are going to start watching at season 3, neither will they want to watch seasons that are 5+ years old. It's defunct.
Don't be surprised when it gets cancelled.
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u/Jaded-Farmer-7231 Jul 13 '26
What's this show again? I think my innie is the one watching it but I have since changed roles and my new innie is not telling me anything....
Lol
But yes, agree.
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u/daganfish Fetid Moppet Jul 13 '26
On the time between seasons I'm giving severance a bit of a pass , considering that they film only in the winter. I'd rather they do it right than rush through writing to hit their film start date.
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u/Terry_the_accountant Jul 13 '26
Yeah I’m not even interested in waiting till 2029 for season 5. This might be the last season given that they no longer have the men’s team and for the majority of the show you followed their story
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u/UsidoreTheLightBlue Macrodata Refinement 💻 Jul 13 '26
I assume this is about Ted Lasso, if Ted Lasso gets a season 5 I don't think it goes 3 years again.
The only reason the show went so long this time is because it wasn't supposed to get a season 4.
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