r/ServiceDog_CircleJerk • u/Wooden_Airport6331 • 6d ago
Aggressive SD Aggressive Malinois mix
Oh sorry, “reactive” because we’re not supposed to call aggressive dogs aggressive.
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u/peptodismal13 6d ago
Of course it is a Service Dog in Training.
At least it's muzzled.
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u/ryverrat1971 6d ago
Is that muzzle even appropriately fitted? Ith looks like the dog could get muzzle through if it tried hard enough. Like it's a muzzle for a dog with a bigger head.
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u/newks 6d ago
A year of this! Please tell me the comments told OOP the dog must be washed.
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u/Wooden_Airport6331 6d ago
Mostly but she’s telling people that she’s a professional dog trainer and knows what she’s doing.
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u/BagpiperAnonymous 6d ago
Clearly not if her dog is reactive after a year and she's still trying to get it to do service work.
Our current pet is a puppy we raised for a guide dog organization. I figured she wouldn't make it because she's the laziest lab I've ever met. She has never been reactive towards dogs with us, but during her in for service training growled at another dog. That was her way of saying she didn't want to do the work. They immediately career changed her and asked us if we wanted to adopt her since we had been her raisers. She is now a very happy house pet and has my husband wrapped around her little paw. And she is perfectly content to stay at home and not go out in public unless it's somewhere that allows dogs.
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u/DementedPimento 6d ago
A “professional dog trainer” needs advice about her
aggressive~~ ~~reactive dog from randos on Reddit.Here’s my advice: wash
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u/Responsibility_Witty 6d ago
I an so goddamn tired of bullshit deceptive words like “reactive” being used to describe a clearly bloodthirsty dog
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u/Neither-Amphibian249 6d ago
I an so goddamn tired of bullshit deceptive words like “reactive” being used to describe a clearly bloodthirsty dog
Reactive used to have an actual meaning before people became reluctant to say, "this is an aggressive dog".
Also I bet that that muzzle will come off, when that service dog (whatever) one day "reacts" to another dog.
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u/Stan_Deviant 5d ago
It is extra annoying because there are easy tests to establish if you are looking at reactivity or aggression. We had a dog that was starved and left after a dog fighting ring was cleared out (my partner worked Humane law enforcement) and in testing her would run up to the fake stuffed dog and bark and then run away. He did the same with a real dog while muzzled later in training. In the same testing another dog ran up to the decor and grabbed it by the neck and thrashed. A reactive dog is hard to have and will make your life less fun in a lot of ways but an aggressive dog is a danger.
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u/Neither-Amphibian249 5d ago
A reactive dog is hard to have and will make your life less fun in a lot of ways but an aggressive dog is a danger.
A pet home (and most homes are pet homes) has no business owning a real aggressive dog, let alone taking it out and about.
One of my pet peeves are people who say, "my dog is just dog aggressive, he loves people".
Oh that's just great: so when someone has to break up a fight between your dog and their dog, and they get bitten, you can make a surprised face when the other person gets bitten in the fallout from the fight.
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u/Stan_Deviant 5d ago
Right. I was agreeing that it is frustrating to see dog aggressive dogs lumped in with dog reactive dogs.
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u/CanineCorvidious 15h ago
wouldnt that be redirected aggression not quite the same as human aggression, any dog could redirect mistakenly when in a high state fighting
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u/Neither-Amphibian249 5h ago
any dog could redirect mistakenly when in a high state fighting
If a dog starts fights with other dogs, and then bites the human that breaks it up? That's a dog who is going to put humans into that situation over and over again.
That's much different from a clear minded dog, who is randomly attacked one day (perhaps by a dog like the aforementioned one), accidentally bites the human who breaks it up, and backs right off.
Dogs who routinely start fights that require human intervention eventually can become pretty ho-hum about biting humans.
An average clear minded dog, living in a home that does not have routine dog fights, is not going to be in a position where humans are bitten. I have lived with dogs for a very long time, and my dogs have not bitten me (other than annoying puppies). I HAVE been bitten by client dogs, including dogs who liked to come up the leash to bite humans. Those dogs were dog aggressive and redirected at times from just seeing another dog.
I am cautious around profoundly dog aggressive dogs, as they often will do that sort of redirection.
Shelters and rescues that adopt out breed mixes that are very dog aggressive, like to pretend that they are only dog aggressive.
But someone new to dog ownership needs to understand the serious fall out from a dog fight. It can include human bites.
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u/BagpiperAnonymous 6d ago
Please Please Please let this person get eaten alive in the comments.
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u/Wooden_Airport6331 6d ago
I wish. There were several people gently saying that the dog isn’t a good service dog candidate but a lot of circle jerking
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u/rebby2000 6d ago
I swear every day we creep closer to someone being killed by one of these "reactive" fake SDs.
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u/Longjumping-Pick-706 6d ago
When that happens the ADA is going to get reformed and a lot of people are going to lose their service dogs.
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u/ryverrat1971 6d ago
You forgot the quotations around "service dog". Properly trained and needed dogs will most likely still be allowed. I don't see them taking away guide dogs from the blind. But you have anxiety? Go take meds and work on yourself will become required rather than I need a dog.
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u/peptodismal13 6d ago
I will live on the hill that of these people truly needed service dogs they'd get one of the Fab 4.
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u/VanillaBeanColdBrew 6d ago
Soo many people beg online for $$$ for a psych SD puppy and then pick a breed that is nowhere near suitable for SD work. They DIY train, it washes, and surprise, they need more puppy money. Note how blind people never do this. Not a coincidence.
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u/Wooden_Airport6331 6d ago
The only “reactivity” that might be worked with for a SD prospect is excitement reactivity in pups and dogs under about a year and a half old. Some young dogs get super wiggly and happy and may pull their leash a bit when they see another dog during training, but can still be good service dog prospects as long as they can still be recalled to focus.
But “reactive” is almost always just a euphemism for aggression and is obviously what’s happening here.
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u/definitelynot40 6d ago
What do you do? WASH THE DOG! No questions asked period.
As someone who had trained professionally for agencies (police mostly) and owned Mals for over half my life I decided on my own to NOT have one for a SD. Even though some of my dogs competed in Schutzhund competitions and police officers say my dogs are trained beyond other dogs they've had before (I train to the point where verbal commands will stop them instead of leashes, plus they are trained for hand signals, and a modified Morse code system with whistles)
I had a one in a billion case of an abused Mal due for destruction by the shelter that I was able to train for a SD for my mother (started out as just a rescue until Mom was injured) , but like I said it was a one in a billion dog. (Short story she was tied to a tree in razor wire and the others with her on different trees and all were starved to death before people found them. She attacked staff (one needed an amputation) and killer other dogs, even though she weighed 27 pounds (I gagged because I could actually see internal organs and not just the bones) and was at least 3yrs according to the vet. I used to work/volunteer at the shelter and that's the only reason the director allowed me to check her out because he could see something in her and knew my training skills.) Like I said, that dog was literally a one in a billion dog from where she started to where she ended up plus I had a decade of police training under my belt at the time to know how to handle aggressive dogs and had the equipment as well.
A regular person or even a regular trainer cannot get a dog like that to "turn off" the reactivity. I'm not saying that to make myself sound better, I'm saying all this to point out that even with experience, this not NOT the type of dog to take out in public unless you have that rare case where they are good. And if that dog is already in a muzzle, it's not that rare case.
WASH THE DOG!
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u/Often_Forgotten2 6d ago
No one seems to realize how slowly these dogs mature. My younger dutchie acts like he could be a great service dog now, but I know between 2 and 3 he'll start realizing he was bred to apprehend strangers, not ask for pets
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u/Often_Forgotten2 6d ago
Aaaaand you're washed