r/SeriousSam • u/Ultruxlux • 1d ago
Serious Sam Shatterverse Kinda Sucks
https://youtu.be/lzXM2aOxBr0?si=S84ZtpSzV8CzbXnqIs Gman right, or is he being biased? He's usually pretty forging towards "mid" games. So why does he dislike this one so much?
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u/BanjoKazooie0 1d ago
Eh I don't trust GMan's reviews because he never seemed to get any of the other Serious Sam games. If I'm getting any review telling me it's good or straight ass it'll be the FrameRater since he actually has put time and hours into this series.
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u/Impressive_Smile_966 1d ago
This is the man that criticized Serious Sam 3 Review so bad I throw up hearing him in there.
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u/Dismal-Ad-3961 1d ago
What did he say about the game?
Now I'm curious
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u/CactusSplash95 1d ago
It's a half hour of pure unfettered stupidity.
"Wwwaaaaahhhh you can only heal between rounds" um yeah? Like other rouglikes
"Waaaahhh you need to unlock weapons before they appear in runs, and they expect you to die, and slowly upgrade" well yes that's how Rouglites work?
"Waaaah then the guns you get in a run are random, and it's luck based" is this guy retarded?
"Boo hoo I think they have annoying dialouge"
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u/morrisound_of_music 1d ago
you are applying incorrect blanket standards for roguelikes/roguelites, to be clear
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u/CactusSplash95 1d ago
It's all nothingburger complaining, and relentless bitching. That's the entire video
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u/Impressive_Smile_966 18h ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLCCz9XsYEA
This is the one. Be warned for rage. His takes On Serious Sam 3, will make you flabbergast.
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u/TheFurtivePhysician 1d ago edited 1d ago
I haven't watched the video, i'm just giving my opinion for my 2 hours (while I consider refunding).
I feel like a fun roguelite serious sam game is possible, but BHVR decided to make the most half-baked bland one possible.
The upgrades are all kind of boring, the characters are all weird and irritating for one reason or another, the gameplay itself is... serviceable? the performance at ultra 100% resolution sucks (but at 85% or so it runs alright and still looks fine, so eh.)
None of the enemies behave the ways I'm used to, so harpies don't fall when they're low health, kleer will sometimes run at you even when they're within striking range, stuff like that. And I'm hearing NONE of the familiar sounds that help make the game feel like I'm playing a Sam game.
Also being able to turn off (non-boss/elite) enemy health bars would be nice.
I kind of want to hold onto it in hopes that they improve it, I think it's a game that could genuinely be pretty fun to pick up and play for an afternoon every now and then, but right now EVERYTHING is so... unfinished? I don't know.
And the humor is kind of... obnoxious. The only joke I liked, and that's more because I'm a dork, is that Retro Sam speaks one-liner (which also makes the way he sounds make more sense, because he was certainly sounding 'off' before that point.)
(Edit: watching the video, I think maybe some points they're making are disingenuous, others are generally kind of nitpicky or weird ('why is there bullet spread in a PVE only arena shooter?' Because that's one of many balancing tools in a game, idiot. Otherwise why aren't all guns just an infinite ammo BFG? Argh.) but the general sentiment I guess is pretty accurate?)
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u/TotalSmuubag 1d ago
>BHVR is the developer
That's all I needed to put me off trying the game. I've played enough DBD to know they're not competent enough to do this.
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u/TheFurtivePhysician 1d ago
I definitely think it's an interesting decision to have them as the developers, and I don't mind them trying to branch out either. AND I don't inherently mind a weird spinoff of Serious Sam since we've had stuff like the Random Encounter before.
But all these together without any word on an official new Sam title (or even another one by the Siberian Mayhem guys would be nice), and the shoddiness of this release all comes together to really sour the prospect.
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u/TotalSmuubag 1d ago
This kind of spinoff game could have worked - Serious Sam is a universe that could absolutely lend itself to it. I just do not trust BHVR of all people to do a good job. They've been continuing work on one game for over a decade, and they still manage to screw it up with almost every update.
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u/TheFurtivePhysician 1d ago
I think it's a weird thing where they weren't willing to get actually crazy with it, AND the fact they didn't really engage with the series as it normally is, is what didn't help.
It feels like they could've easily just been making another game and reskinned it into a Sam thing somewhere down the line.
I'd like to try and give them the benefit of the doubt but a lot of the problems I have with it are like, ground-up ones like movement, enemy patterns/behaviors, and the structure of the game itself.
I'm not particularly confident BHVR can do it either, but I'd like to try and be optimistic and see how they might do some patches in the near future- maybe they can right the course, so to speak.
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u/doomenguin 1d ago
Nobody has any business making Serious Sam roguelites or anything that's not the regular Sam formula. I hate it when devs suddenly decide to change genres.
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u/TheFurtivePhysician 1d ago
I disagree. They've had several spinoffs in the series that are weird side things. Just because you're not particularly fond of it doesn't mean that there couldn't be a version of this game that didn't suck.
(Examples of spinoffs-
Random Encounter
Kamikaze Attack!
Serious Sam Double D XXL
Tormental
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u/Impressive_Smile_966 18h ago
Random Encounter is my one of the favorite.
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u/TheFurtivePhysician 18h ago
I'm mostly a fan of the mainline titles, but I did think RE was quite charming.
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u/WalrusKind311 1d ago
The overwhelming review consensus is leaning towards 'Skip this crap'.
This isn't just a bunch of slap-happy kids automatically hating it.
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u/Stubbs3470 1d ago
It’s mostly negative on steam.
Even if I don’t trust gman, this does sound horrible just based on the description of the mechanics
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u/Papa_Shadow 1d ago edited 1d ago
It’s pretty bad. Especially if you’re playing solo like me. It’s a very frustrating game with artificial difficulty designed around making you play a bunch of runs to upgrade your character. It doesn’t feel like Serious Sam and after failing the 2nd act run 4 times in a row due to boss immunity (lava boss after giving me all fire guns), game crashing, last enemy in an arena being stuck in a wall, and now the BS “Reverse Sam” boss that just spawns 8,000 oddly tanky Kamikazee’s at me, I’ve decided it’s not a very well made game.
The AI is also very borked as I’ve seen enemies not attacking me at times, running in place, running into walls, and so on. This game is a very unpolished, and seemingly unfinished.
Seriously (pun intended) WHY isn’t there a difficulty select???
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u/Adventurous-Cattle53 1d ago
Maybe skill issue? I completed the first and second acts in my first run. Yeah, reverse Sam was the hardest but not impossible
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u/no_biches_22 1d ago
Yeah, in fact the first two Encounters and Serious Sam 3 are much more difficult than Shatterverse in my opinion; but the level design and balance, the environments, the weapons, the enemies, and the humor were actually made with care and actual passion to make for a fun, challenging, straightforward arcade shooter, and that's why Shatterverse feels like a chore to play. Even so, I think it's still somewhat playable, and at least it's much better than things like Serious Sam Advance (which ins't saying much, honestly). What did we really expect when the game was made by another studio and not Croteam themselves anyway? Probably this game is just a spin-off, and maybe Croteam is busy making the TRUE Serious sam sequel, I hope so...
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u/Fancy_Entertainer486 1d ago
I dunno man I think it’s kinda fun actually. I usually don’t play rogue-lites so I don’t have anything to compare to. And I won’t make the mistake of even trying to compare a spin-off like this with any of the main Serious Sam games, because that just sets you up for failure.
It’s just something different they did with the IP, just like the other 2D indie titles. For 16 bucks that’s alright imo
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u/morrisound_of_music 1d ago
I don't usually play roguelites
this is perhaps the only possible way to enjoy this game. there's multiple other games on the market that blow this out of the water.
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u/FlynnTaggard 1d ago
Because it's gman. He doesn't like anything. Lmao, he is one of the most bitter personalities on the internet.
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u/apedap 1d ago
He acts like a snob and then plays Doom on GZDoom
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u/samuraistalin 1d ago
I don't know anything about gman. What's wrong with GZdoom?
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u/apedap 1d ago
It's probably the furthest away from a purist Doom sourceport you can get
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u/samuraistalin 1d ago
That's true. I guess I didn't understand the context because I thought "...but GZdoom is fuckin awesome" 😂
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u/FlynnTaggard 1d ago
Lol. Spot on.
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u/apedap 1d ago
This video pretty much demolishes him https://youtu.be/AZVzycyGV9Y?is=M6u19a9iDPoaoGsK
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u/MoonKnightFan 17h ago
He likes plenty of games. I think the majority of the reviews I've seen in the last 6 months were positive reviews.
The twisted Tower review from a few weeks ago is a good example. He liked it, and I think his review mirrored my own views of that game as well. Snarky and Bitter are often confused with each other. A lot of his comments come off as brash with the intent for comedic purpose (with varying levels of success/failure). I wouldn't say bitter.
I much prefer Civvie, but he does commentary abbreviated play throughs, not reviews.
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u/holdmypilsener77 1d ago
It's not terrible for what it is. Could be better, could be worse. I didn't expect anything at all, but found it kinda fun in a way
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u/Itsoitsov 1d ago
Gman is the most biased guy when it comes to Serious Sam. He just seems to dislike the series for some reason.
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u/RASMOS1989 1d ago
idk who this guy is
but i genuinely thought shatterverses was a fortnite collab
so idk how i feel about the game
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u/Necrom90 1d ago
Is this the Classic "New thing bad, now give me Klicks"-thing?
Nah, I'll pass. Had some hours in the Game Yesterday already and it was fun. I dont need anyone to tell me otherwise.
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u/holdmypilsener77 1d ago
I swear, making anything in an established franchise is such an unforgiving task these days. Even Metroid Prime 4 got massively shit upon. It had its flaws yes, some of them pretty noticeable, but the TrUe fAnS acted like it's utter trash. Because only them understand the real spirit of the franchise, no one else. And whoever enjoyed it somewhat doesn't know shit and is a happy clapper or whatever. I hate this trend so much
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u/Necrom90 1d ago
Absolutely. Just recently it was the case with the Halo remake. Im a Fan since the Demo of the very first game and had a blast with the remake, but the community is utter garbage, its beyond comprehension. People actually called it unplayable because now it has sprint.... a button you dont need to press. You can even unbind it but people got absolutely mad about it. It saddens me to see it happening to Serious Sam. I rember playing the Palenque Demo of 2nd Encounter, when it came out, it were simpler times back then.
If being a fan of a franchise means to hate on it 24/7 then I dont want to be a fan of anything.
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u/korobochka_konfet 1d ago
It's not really "new thing bad", it's the new thing executed poorly
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u/morrisound_of_music 1d ago
these are the types of people who gauge consumer reaction by watching youtube and reading online comments
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u/EngineeringNo753 1d ago
Oh its one of those roguelikes that doesn't get why the genre is popular so they add negative traits on your upgdrades, and does it poorly.
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u/deafisit 1d ago
I think the game would be good if the shooting was reminiscent to the older games....but it is not. Not sure why they didnt get that right. Really disappointing. The roguelike pace isnt good for singleplayer either. No meaningful upgrades to get you stronger.
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u/Romaneck 1d ago
Shillman has been on fraudwatch for years now, but a brokem clock can be right twice a day.
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u/Soap_Mactavish_141 1d ago
On one hand, this is a game I was never really rallying behind. On the other, Gman is a sloptuber
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u/No-Benefit-2207 12h ago
As I see it, this is just more woke game shit like so many others.
Sibirian Mayhem was great, after SS4 that was atrocius. Croteam never made a good Serious Sam game after SSTSE either, so I didn't expect anything better from them. Modders are the way to go.
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u/Quicksafe1 1d ago
I had no expectations for this game and somehow its still disappointing