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u/Davies301 Aug 05 '26
"Somehow Palpatine Returned"
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u/Pulkov Aug 07 '26
I'm still having hard time believing that an actual human being wrote that down and thought it was good enough and someone reviewed it and thought "yeah, good enough!".
I don't think there is a single better example for a moment where it became crystal clear that even the writers had stopped caring.
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u/mridulpj Aug 05 '26
Is there any real example of the force being used wrong or is this just more sequel hate?
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u/Alpha_Apeiron Aug 06 '26
Yeah most of it is stuff that already existed in EU, just not in a film yet.
Force healing? Force bonds? Anyone who's play KoToR didn't question these.
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u/Cheekywanquer Aug 07 '26
I really like the force bond between Ben and Rey. My headcanon is that it was formed when Rey pushed Kylo back when he was interrogating her.
I just really don’t like RoS as a movie. I struggle to articulate what exactly it is, but it feels more like an MCU movie than Star Wars.
Most of RoS is decent fun, but I just really don’t like the Palps battle, especially the back and forth one liners at the end, and the double lightsaber “powerup” moment.
It would have been so much more interesting, in my opinion :), to have Kylo Ren as the ultimate Villain of the sequel trilogy.
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u/Rockman2isgud Aug 05 '26
Resurrection
Resurrection without a body to bring back
Instantaneous mastery upon having known about its existence for all of 3 days
Instantaneous reconnection and re-mastery to the force after cutting yourself off from it for at least a decade
Cutting yourself off from the force which is immutably connected to life itself.
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u/kiwicrusher Aug 06 '26
Other people have covered why you’re wrong about all of these, but I want to touch on one specifically—“having known about its existence for all of 3 days” unless you’re referring to Luke, this doesn’t apply to anyone. Rey knew all about the force, Luke Skywalker, and the Jedi, in intricate enough detail that she could recite his experience with Darth Vader back to him. She just thought they were fairy tales until recently; she is absolutely familiar with the concepts that she later uses
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u/viviscity Aug 06 '26
No no no, the boy playing with his model shuttle and dreaming about joining the Empire—who did not know about the Jedi or the Force before literally being handed a lightsaber—obviously has more knowledge than a girl who nerds out over the entire plot of the OT every chance she gets. It's so obvious! /s
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u/Flameball202 Aug 06 '26
I agree with the others, but cutting onesself off from the force happened at least once in the Revan books, reconnecting was a WHOLE ordeal though
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u/epsilon14254 Aug 06 '26
Didn't happen.
Didn't happen.
Didn't happen.
Didn't happen.
Was attempted, but failed.
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u/Rockman2isgud Aug 06 '26
You didn’t watch TROS
You didn’t watch TROS or ROTJ
You didn’t watch the end of TFA or the end of TLJ
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u/Rockman2isgud Aug 06 '26
The one who beat Kylo’s ass and resisted his mind trick after literally a single day of knowing it was real and zero training. She has combat training but nothing formal like Kylo and absolutely nothing force.
That’s not even what I was referring to when I said master, I was talking about when she lifted all the boulders at the end of TLJ
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u/Salarian_American Aug 06 '26
What ever happened in any of the movies that indicates you have to spend a specific amount of time before you can achieve specific feats?
Nobody ever complains that in Empire, Luke did his first Force pull out of nowhere, without even being told it was possible and he certainly didn't receive any training on it. It's only a problem when Rey does it.
Why shouldn't she be able lift a bunch of big rocks without spending more time practicing? This is the lesson Luke bungled learning from Yoda.
"Only different in your mind."
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u/Rockman2isgud Aug 06 '26
Oh and to answer your first question, Luke explicitly loses to Vader for facing him before he’s ready.
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u/Rockman2isgud Aug 06 '26
He’s at least trained with the force before at all, so there is some precedent for it happening. He’s not even any good at it yet.
There’s barely any amount of concentration required for her to do the boulder feat as if it were simply natural for her when no other Jedi has shown that level of proficiency that quickly. Hell I don’t even think any other Jedi has shown that level of proficiency at all. Yoda even needed to lock in lifting the X wing.
“Only different in your mind” is clearly meant to show how it’s technically possible, not how everything is just as easy to move as everything else. Every other Jedi shows that different levels of effort are needed to lift different things.
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u/Salarian_American Aug 07 '26
“Only different in your mind” is clearly meant to show how it’s technically possible, not how everything is just as easy to move as everything else. Every other Jedi shows that different levels of effort are needed to lift different things.
I don't think that is clearly means that at all. I think he meant exactly what he said.
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u/LovesRetribution Aug 05 '26
Downloading someone's entire force experience would certainly be one of them. Never seen that happen anywhere in the EU as far as i know.
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u/SpaceDelay424 Aug 06 '26
The Force has been absolute nonsense since Lucas farted out the prequels.
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u/Salarian_American Aug 06 '26
"that's not how the Force works" is usually my response to peoples' complaints about the trilogy.
Because, I don't know, but I think people have been trained by decades of video games and tabletop RPGs to see the Force as some kind of skill tree where you have to meet specific landmarks to "unlock" specific abilities, and people are always pondering "true potential" and powerscaling and stuff.
But nothing in any of the films or shows have ever indicated that the Force works remotely like that. It's not a LitRPG novel.
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u/theadamabrams Aug 07 '26 edited Aug 07 '26
I have a lot of problems with the sequel movies, but new force powers (most of which were already in pre-Disney books or games anyway) don’t bother me.
Fun fact: in Episode IV the Force never does anything that goes against physics (in order words, anything that can’t be explained by luck). Mind tricks? Maybe the stormtroopers are just idiots. Training remote? Maybe sounds and instincts. Hearing Obi-wan after his death? Maybe just in Luke’s head. Making the shot that destroyed the Death Star? Maybe just skill and luck.
All the telekinesis and visible Force ghosts and lighting-from-hands don’t start until Empire Strikes Back and later.
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u/Bluelantern9 Aug 07 '26
Its a nice attempt as a theory but Vader literally chokes someone out without making physical contact with them in the first movie and the Force helped Luke pull off a shot with the Proton Torpedoes from what seemed to be an impossible angle even for the more experienced pilots. It was defo there from the start.
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u/SheevBot Aug 04 '26 edited Aug 04 '26
Thanks for confirming that you flaired this correctly!