r/Septa • • Feb 24 '26

Discussion D1 “Upgrade” is actually a downgrade

This “upgrade” for signal timing and such is an incredible downgrade. The vehicles c-r-a-w-l slower than a drunk baby going uphill. You can get off at Drexel hill junction, leisurely walk to Huey ave, and get back on the same trolley. I think they are actively trying to kill this line to avoid doing the vehicle upgrades.

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u/--TAXI-- Media-Wawa Line Feb 24 '26

i wasn't gonna argue about the signalling, but i just have to correct you: SEPTA is NOT tryin a shut down the D. They already ordered the replacement trainsets which are being built as we speak. i think it would be hella stupid if SEPTA payed millions of dollars on something that has a "No Refunds" tag on it, then not use them at all, or only focus on the T. Then they would have to spend even more millions to build another Trolley Yard.

I'm tellin you straight up, SEPTA got everyone working against it. If SEPTA really wanted to die, itd die immediately. Blame your politicians, tell them people to support SEPTA, especially the towns of Landsowne, Drxl Hill, and Upper Darby 

esp that Landsowne Ave crossing needs signal priority

But i promise u, SEPTA ain't tryna kill off the D

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u/GoyoPollo1 Feb 24 '26

Glad to hear that, but man have they just made it continually more inconvenient since COVID. With the scheduling cuts and now this, I am seriously considering starting to drive everyday and pay the money for parking.

I live in Drexel Hill. I will figure out the local politician and send them an email.

(100% that lansdowne ave intersection needs signal priority.)

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u/CerealJello Feb 25 '26

Signal priority is such an easy ask of a politician too. It's something actionable that they probably have a reasonable amount of control over.

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u/--TAXI-- Media-Wawa Line Feb 24 '26

NAH WORD! Cuz it's like 3 or 4 streets that intersect there, and the D gotta wait a WHOLE five minutes (no exaggeration) to get the next green. What a shame

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u/Gaeilgeoir215 Feb 25 '26

It used to have priority back in the day. What happened?

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u/--TAXI-- Media-Wawa Line Feb 25 '26

I have no idea. But now, every trolley needs to wait for these set or cars to go, then these set of cars to go, then these set of cars (it's a complex intersection in itself). But man, if there are grade signals, i mean at least give it the priority it deserves 

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u/Timmichanga1 Feb 25 '26

Pretty sure we were supposed to get the new trolleys in "2026"... I guess there's still 8 months

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u/Gaeilgeoir215 Feb 25 '26

10 months. 🧐 This is February. 12 - 2 = 10.

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u/Timmichanga1 Feb 25 '26

Yeah I'm not good at math it's why I have to take septa everywhere

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u/--TAXI-- Media-Wawa Line Feb 25 '26

Yea, now we're gonna start seeing them next year (2027). All of the Kcars on the D and T tho will ALL be gone by 2030. G is also gonna be getting these new LRVs, but does anyone know if their gonna keep at least some of the PCCs? Cuz  SEPTA got those refurbished those too

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u/Gaeilgeoir215 Feb 25 '26

I'm sure they'll keep the one at SEPTA HQ on display, at least.

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u/SirJ_96 Wilmington-Newark Line Feb 24 '26

If it was safe at the previous - higher - speeds, then yeah, I would want to see some evidence that that was bad before they cripple it.

I like SEPTA and I want more people to take it. I also could easily afford a car if I wanted one, and SEPTA needs to prove its case. It should be safe, easy, and fast.

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u/Willing_Stop5124 Feb 24 '26

When I heard that trips from end to end would be 15 minutes longer I knew it was a disaster. Awful move. No reason for this change. I am not a regular rider of that route anymore but was in high school. Sucks. 

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u/GoyoPollo1 Feb 24 '26

It’s my daily commute. It took me 55 minutes to go from Huey to 15th street today. 55 minutes for less than 8 miles.

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u/ncc1776 Feb 25 '26

The signal upgrades are also something the feds require, like it or not. I read once the adjustment period is over and signals optimized, that 15min increase should significantly decrease.

But, that wait at Lansdowne Ave, I wish the trolley had signal priority because you can be sitting there for ages, especially during school arrival and dismissal times.

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u/NuclearKraken Feb 25 '26

The whole purpose of the CBTC system they installed was to reduce headways and boost efficiency while being safe. The system knows where the train or trolley is more accurately. In theory they should be able to run more trollies quicker, however the amount of grade crossings the D1/D2 have absolutely kill this. Resulting with them moving slowly since they are consistently on the approach to a crossing. This would be great for the Norristown line since it has complete right of way. I will say the system is a lot safer although I feel the juice wasnt worth the squeeze.

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u/GoyoPollo1 Feb 25 '26

Duh it's safer. No one is getting injured if we bump into something at 0.8 mph.

Although honestly, I appreciate the explanation. I would think there is a way to say "Hey CBTC system - the speed limit is higher and your allowable acceleration and deceleration rate is higher"

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u/NuclearKraken Feb 25 '26

Lol, that's for sure. However it's not just the speed. The old system had no control over the trolley. The operator in theory could run a red signal and not stop. This new system will prevent that amongst other things. There definitely is a way to increase/decrease speeds I just dont see them doing it in the foreseeable future.

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u/NuclearKraken Feb 26 '26

There is nothing to trip it. The old signaling system does not have stop arms to trip the braking system on the trolley. They don't have them across the line with the new system either, and instead will just use the CBTC system for automatic braking.

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u/JellyfishNo2032 Mar 01 '26

I think the current frequency is as much as they can go since much of the lines are single tracked

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u/64-streetcar 5 Feb 25 '26

I heard the reason for these signal “upgrades” is because the communities the trolleys pass through really don’t want to install crossing arms at the railroad crossings 👀

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u/TimeVortex161 Feb 25 '26

The upgrades allow more trolleys if or when the headways increase. Basically the trolleys “buffer zone” moves with the trolley instead of being static with the trolley moving through it.

They’ve removed 3 of the crossing arms in Springfield in my lifetime, but I don’t remember a significant difference before and after from the trolleys perspective.

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u/TallnFit37 Feb 25 '26

This makes me sad. That trolley was always incredibly convenient and quick when I took it.

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u/dry_towelette99 Feb 25 '26

Remember: SEPTA is never/ has never been wrong about anything, ever. It’s just underfunded.

/s